Why Long Tail Pro is Switching from Moz to Majestic Link Data

Why Long Tail Pro is Switching from Moz to Majestic Link Data

Big news everybody. Starting today, Long Tail Pro is officially switching from using Moz metrics to Majestic metrics.

Why? Well, here’s the cliff notes version.

When Long Tail Pro was first released, Moz was pretty much the only game in town. However, in 2016, while Moz is still good… Majestic is great.

Now, for those of you that care about the details:

Long Tail Pro (LTP) has relied on Moz backlink data and metrics, and when LTP was first released, Moz was definitely the best option. There was no question — Moz was the big man on campus. Since then though, Majestic has caught up, and in our view, has surpassed Moz, both in terms of the metrics and the size and scope of the backlink data that they provide.

To understand why we think Majestic has overtaken Moz as the leading provider of backlink data, first you have to understand what the two tools do.

While Moz provides a suite of SEO tools, the core offering they have always provided has been the Open Site Explorer. To simplify, Moz has a bunch of crawlers bouncing around from page to page on the internet, finding out which websites and which pages link to each other. These crawlers then organize all this information into a comprehensible set of data for the user. When you type a domain or a web page into Open Site Explorer, you can see which sites link to it because Moz’s crawlers have seen that link and stored that data for you to see.

Majestic’s Site Explorer mostly does the same thing. They also have a bunch of crawlers that jump from page to page, following links and storing the link information for your viewing pleasure. This stored information about backlinks is what we call a Backlink Index.

Essentially, both companies are trying to replicate what Google does. Google arguably has the largest and most sophisticated web crawlers. One of the ways Google determines whether one site should rank over another site is by knowing how many links each domain and each page have (along with all the other rankings factors that they take into account).

Both Moz and Majestic attempt to simulate this. But rather than using this information to actually rank sites and pages, they try to determine how Google sees your site based on the quantity and quality of the links that you have.

This information is obviously crucial to people in the online marketing world. For example, if you’re running a link-building campaign for your site, you want to be able to see how effective your campaign has been. That’s the point of both Majestic and Moz – to allow you to see how you’re doing in terms of links, and by extension, how well you’re doing with your efforts to rank on Google (as well as other search engines).

Why Long Tail Pro is Moving to Majestic

So, why do we think Majestic is doing a better job at this than Moz?

It comes down to a few simple reasons:

  1. Majestic has significantly more information in their Backlink Index (Historical Index).
  2. Majestic has significantly more up-to-date information in their Backlink Index (Fresh Index).
  3. Majestic has better metrics and helps the user understand them better than Moz does.

To begin with, at the time of writing, Moz and Majestic show the following on their respective websites:

Mozscape Index: 162 Billion URLs

Majestic Historic Index: 875 Billion URLs

Majestic’s Historical Index is substantially larger than the Mozscape Index. (Both indexes are updated about once a month.)

But Majestic also has something called the Fresh Index which is updated roughly once a day. This index shows the newest links to a domain or a page.

Even updated this frequently, it’s almost as large as Moz’s entire indexand this only includes stuff crawled in any given three-month period. The Fresh Index lets you see any quality new links that point to your site. This feature is extremely useful for serious online marketers.

While Moz’s index is only updated every month, Majestic has a much larger historical index that is updated monthly, as well as a second index that is updated daily, and has almost as much data as Moz’s entire set of data.

A number of SEO experts have looked into this in detail and published their results. If you’re interested in learning more about the difference between the two companies (and why we think Majestic is the better option at this point), check out some of these articles below.

So… Majestic has more data and more updated data.

How to Use the New Data

But does Majestic outdo Moz at organizing and presenting its data?

A large part of Moz’s success has been due to the easy-to-understand metrics they provide – Domain Authority and Page Authority. These metrics try to measure the quantity and quality of the links of a given domain or webpage.

Again, Majestic has a larger index than Moz – so if the goal were to only count the quantity of links a particular page or domain has, in the vast majority of cases, Majestic will be superior, simply because they’ve found more of them.

But what about the quality of links?

The way that DA and PA are calculated is somewhat opaque, but what we do know is that it’s supposed to measure the ranking strength of a specific domain or page. In general, higher DA domains (adjusted for KW research efforts) should be ranking for more KWs.

The general idea is that if two domains are targeting the same KW with equivalent levels of content, the higher DA domain will rank better than the lower DA domain.

If DA leads to better rankings, and better rankings lead to more organic traffic, then DA should correlate positively with organic traffic. We couldn’t find studies that back this up, but anecdotally we believe that this is broadly true.

But guess what? Trust Flow (TF) is also correlated to organic traffic – and there is a study on this. Here it is.

There’s also a study by the same guys over at 90 digital that show that TF and DA mostly measure the same thing – the main difference being the way that TF/DA are distributed.

The main takeaway is that there are more high DA domains (DA 50+) than there are high TF domains. Still, the two metrics broadly measure the same thing – how competitive a domain will be in Google.

If we think about the distribution of TF versus DA, the distribution of TF actually makes a little more sense. It makes sense that there are many uncompetitive sites, some moderately competitive sites, and relatively few strong sites (sites like Wikipedia, Youtube, etc).

One other difference between Majestic’s metrics and Moz’s metrics is that because Majestic’s index is so much more comprehensive than Moz’s index, it’s likely that Majestic will see some links that Moz doesn’t see. By this measure, TF will provide a more accurate gauge of domain or page strength than DA/PA.

Keyword Competitiveness Will Be Even More Accurate

Given that Majestic has a larger index, a more up-to-date index, and that their metrics are comparable and possibly better than Moz’s, we feel comfortable saying that with this change, Long Tail Pro will be an even more effective KW research tool than it has been previously.

Because the base metrics that we’re using are changing (and we also tweaked the KC algorithm to improve results), existing users may see some changes in KC scores. Don’t worry though – right now, we believe our proprietary Keyword Competitiveness score is more accurate than ever before! Also, if you want to keep your old KC data based on Moz scores, all existing projects in your version of LTP will continue to have the previous Moz data until you choose to migrate it to Majestic (we recommend you export any data that you want to keep).

If you have any questions about LTP and the decision to switch from Moz metrics to Majestic metrics, leave a comment below and the LTP team will get back to you!

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155 Comments for this Post

  1. Leo

    Leo

    Hi,

    Thanks for sharing this information, and I have a couple of questions.

    1. Do we need to setup an account for Majestic API? If so, is there a free option and can you please include a link?

    2. Can you summarize the impact to people who have LTP pro? Since we don’t get KC, will the CF/TF simply replace the DA/PA?

    3. Will we still be able to create new campaigns using Moz or are they set to legacy meaning that we cannot add/edit the terms?

    Thanks in advance,

    -Leo
    Happy Long Tail User since 2014

    • Spencer Haws

      Spencer Haws

      Great questions, Dan…here’s some answers:
      1. You don’t need to set anything up. Woohoo! You don’t need any kind of Majestic account…we (Long Tail Pro) handle everything. From a user perspective, its much easier…it happens auto-magically.
      2. The metrics you see will be CF/TF now. No other impact.
      3. Old campaigns will be set to legacy (still showing old metrics). New campaigns will use new Majestic data.

      Hope that helps!

      • Dan W

        Dan W

        Thanx , Spencer for fast reply for all to view.

        I guess this will come up eventually, but the number value threshold for DA and PA figures was/is “30”. Two or more Doppelgangers with PA,DA under the value 30 and age of website around 2 years old or younger signified a preferred KEYWORD in keyword research(and of course KC under “30”).

        Perhaps I am getting ahead here too fast, but since my experience with CF/TF alias “trust flow” is like “green behind the ears”(MAJESTIC METRICS); I have been wondering what the “ceiling number value” using CF/TF is going to be: to determine whether a keyword is of “advantageous LOW COMPETITION” .

        Do we know this yet or there has to be a data study over time to parallel the magic “30” value in MOZ metrics of PAGE AUTHORITY AND DOMAIN AUTHORITY?

        • George

          George

          Hi Dan,

          For now, we’d recommend you use KC under 40 – we’re going to recalibrate KC at some point so that results are more in line with what they used to be, but for the moment KC under 40 is what you should be aiming for.

          As for DA/PA versus TF CF, I’d say that roughly speaking, you’d want Domain TF to be under 25 and Domain CF under 35 = DA 30.

          Thanks,

          George

      • Patricia Rios

        Patricia Rios

        hi dear! When the new videos on how to analyse these new data are coming? thanks

  2. Nate

    Nate

    Somewhat of a bitter sweet reaction here.

    On one hand I do like it because majestic does have more more info in there index.

    The flip side ive seen first hand one of my domains trust flow go down after 2 very good links being pointed to it which I didn’t really sweat it but just showed how kinda washy the tf system can be.

    Like the comment mentioned above is it free to get the api and how much more difficult will it be now determine for those not on the plat version?

    • Spencer Haws

      Spencer Haws

      No need for any API account. Long Tail Pro handles it all for you.

    • George

      George

      Hi, you might want to check Historical Index TF versus Fresh Index TF – I believe the historical index TF should be considerably more stable.

  3. Dan W

    Dan W

    “Hi,

    Thanks for sharing this information, and I have a couple of questions.

    1. Do we need to setup an account for Majestic API? If so, is there a free option and can you please include a link?

    2. Can you summarize the impact to people who have LTP pro? Since we don’t get KC, will the CF/TF simply replace the DA/PA?

    3. Will we still be able to create new campaigns using Moz or are they set to legacy meaning that we cannot add/edit the terms?

    Thanks in advance,”

    THE ABOVE QUESTION IS THE QUOTE FROM “LEO” AND ARE EXCELLENT QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE THE ANSWER TOO. i DO NOT SEE A PUBLIC ANSWER HERE SO I GUESS A REQUEST FOR ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS WILL BE SENT TO MY PRIVATE EMAIL. CERTAINLY THE QUESTION OF A FEE USING MAJESTIC API IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. AS THERE WAS NO FEE USING MOZ API UP TO A CERTAIN LIMIT.

    THE NICHE PROJECT 3 OF COURSE TAUGHT TECHNIQUE USING DA AND PA, SO I GUESS WE WOULD CONVERT AND USE SAME PRINCIPLES APPLIED TO TF (TRUST FLOW). REGARDS–DAN

  4. Justin C

    Justin C

    is this a server side switch?

  5. Neal McSpadden

    Neal McSpadden

    Love it! Majestic has been taking the lead for a while now.

    • George

      George

      Hi,

      Indeed – Majestic has been the more reliable backlink service for a little while now and we’re really excited about the switch.

  6. Dan

    Dan

    Should the change have happened already? I restarted LTP and created a new project but still get PA, DA, Moz Rank etc.

    • Hayden

      Hayden

      Just working on some finishing touches, should be out next week!

      • Owen

        Owen

        I’ve updated to 3.10 and selected Migrate Project. It still shows PA/DA?

        • George

          George

          Hi Owen,

          On old projects, once you migrate, you should start seeing majestic stats. Let me know if this answers your question,

          Thanks,

          George

  7. Tommy

    Tommy

    Hey Spencer,

    I think the move is great! I have built a couple of niche sites in my day and I pretty much use Majestic for everything back-link related. MOZ still has some cool apps, but I think Majestic’s link data is fresher and more accurate.

  8. David Shaw

    David Shaw

    Nice write up Spencer…

    I think this is the right move at the right time.

    Have always preferred Majestic’s link data.

  9. Dash

    Dash

    Hi Spancer! That is a great move. Is it possible to also see Da/Pa in keyword tab.

    • George

      George

      Hi,

      Unfortunately going forward we won’t show DA/PA anymore – it’s simply not cost effective on our side on a per user basis to provide both set of metrics.

      Thanks!

      George

  10. Ben

    Ben

    Thanks Spencer for the update and background info on the reasons for making the switch.

    I’ve read a lot of positive reviews about Moz’s new KWE tool announced by Rand Fishkin last month but it’s restricted to US data only at the moment, whereas LTPro covers other markets, much to its competitive advantage. That being said, I’ve also read very recent comments from LTPro Plat. users on a few different blog posts regarding issues with the KC returning no data “-“. The switch to Majestic API was cited as the primary solution to this issue. Is that the case and has it now been rectified? I’ve not seen any of the LTPro team respond to those comments so I’m hoping you can help clarify?

    As a pro user considering the upgrade that’s essential to me (and indeed to many of my colleagues).

    Thanks,
    Ben

    • Spencer Haws

      Spencer Haws

      Hey Ben, generally most users have no issues with KC. We resolve the issues on a case by case basis when they do come up. However, this move to majestic, and another big move we are making in the near future should resolve the KC issue for all users. Again, by in large the huge majority of users never have issues right now.

      • Remco

        Remco

        Cool to see that there is a new big move still coming , curious

    • George

      George

      We are working on something that will be comparable to Moz’s KW tool but significantly more affordable =). Stay Tuned.

    • Heather

      Heather

      Hey Ben, in response to the issue with KC returning “-” you’re right that the Majestic upgrade has a fix for this. The old version was dependent on an external API which was going down a lot. That’s one reason we switched, and since switching, we have not heard of any more instances of the “-” KC issue. I hope that clarifies things for you! 🙂

  11. Col

    Col

    Hi guys, I am tryingto get setup with LTP. I signed up and downloaded it but cannot download adobe air. Everytime I try to download it gives a server not found error. Adobe support wont help as its a free product and my request in the adobe forum has not been answered. Does anyone have a solution? I really want to get started

  12. Paulo

    Paulo

    Hi Spencer & Fellow Commenters,

    After going through several blog posts on the NP and SPI blogs (I especially liked the Niche Site Challenges and your podcast) I have decided that I’m going to give niche / authority site building a real tr and investment a significant amount of my time.

    I work in an industry very similar but slightly more niche to the “gaming industry” and have seen for myself how much money even average affiliates can make with very little experience.

    I am thinking about starting two sites 1 in my area of expertise (I know many probably wouldn’t advise it however I want to try it out and knowing how lucrative some of the CPA deals are I only have to refer 1 – 2 clients a month for it to be very profitable).

    I was also thinking about building a simple niche site similar to apennyshaved.com however I am going to try and build out 1 and maybe after a few months 2 authority sites in my niche most likely targeting something I am personally interested in hoping to monetize through Adsense or Amazon.

    I don’t have a set budget to put into this however I am fairly happy to pay for what I REALLY need, and here in lies my question…..apologies for going round the houses……

    What software or websites do you think I really to purchase or subscribe to. I want to give myself the best chance of success. I know you regularly use SEMRush, Ahrefs, MajesticSEO and several other applications however are there any others and do I really need the paid versions of all the ones which I have mentioned. I think it would be really interesting if you put together a resource page of the “bare minimum” that new site builders should be using.

    Thank you for all the content on the site.

    • George

      George

      Hi Paulo,

      I’d say at a bare minimum, you’d want Long Tail Pro for Keyword Research and a solid wordpress theme to get started. SEMRush is a really useful tool, but for people just starting out it’s a little expensive and it’s more useful to people who have existing sites already as opposed to people starting new sites. SEMRush is a definite buy once you get some traction on your site.

      A backlink checker isn’t essential at the beginning – but if I had to choose one I’d say Majestic or Ahrefs. The advantage of Moz is that there is a free trial, which might be useful to you at the start.

      • Paulo Nogueira

        Paulo Nogueira

        thank you George, and thank you for getting back to us regarding the new KC scores I pretty much assumed there was a sliding scale on the KC.

        regards

  13. Dani

    Dani

    Hey Spencer! Quick question: How can I get the keywords and all the other data I gathered on PC 1 in long tail pro to PC 2? Are there any save-files?

    • JB Leep

      JB Leep

      This is a question for support. That said, for a PC, the data is in C:\Users\%yourusercode%\AppData\Roaming\com.longtailpro.LongTailPro . Back up the folder on the target computer and copy this folder from the source computer to it.

  14. Paulo

    Paulo

    Hi Dani,

    you can I have done it.

    Right next to the ‘cancel’ button there is an arrow which you can use to export.

    I’m pretty sure you can export individual KW data by hitting the same icon at the bottom of the top 10 listings 🙂

    🙂

  15. Tarun

    Tarun

    Hi Spencer,

    Just saw Long tail pro gets updated and now will totally use metrics from majestic and not from MOZ. There are a lot of new features may be added after this update into LTP 3.1.0. Could you or any LTP team member mind creating a video discussing new features of LTP and how it can impact for digital marketers who are LTP users. How we can take benefit from it?

    Thanks

    • George

      George

      Hi Tarun,

      We’re knee deep on the development side at the moment – in a couple of weeks, we’re going to do another big update, and around that time we will be releasing videos and stuff to demonstrate the updated version of the product and all the new features.

      Thanks!

      George

  16. Dan

    Dan

    I think we need the option to use both moz and majestic. If you really want the best of both worlds, I feel the ability to run the competition with Moz needs to remain. That way you can say okay… what does Moz think and what does Majestic think.

    If they’re both low, it’s probably a sure thing.

    • George

      George

      Hi Dan,

      Unfortunately, it’s simply not possible for us to provide both sets of data, it would be prohibitively expensive unless we were to substantially increase the price of LTP.

      However, we do feel Majestic metrics are superior at this point and we’re really happy that we made the transition.

      Thanks,

      George

  17. Owen

    Owen

    Seems like after updating, most keywords’ KC increase tremendously! Keywords that I used to target below 20 are now 30+ and I’m even ranking for KCs that are above 40! (a small site with semrush traffic ~100)

    • Mantas

      Mantas

      Same here, it seems like the score when up by 10-20. It’s even impossible to find a keyword below 30 now. I would love to hear how KC score has changed and how it evaluates the competition now.

    • George

      George

      Hi Owen,

      The New KC score is something we’re going to be working on actively – for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30 (look for keywords under KC 40). We’re going to recalibrate KC at some point in the near future so it’s more in line with the previous score.

  18. Paulo Nogueira

    Paulo Nogueira

    mine isn’t updating at all.

    • Nate

      Nate

      Same here I’ve been waiting on the update since this post released but still nothing.

      Any time frame on when the update will be?

      Speaking as a non plat user if that makes any difference.

      • Paulo

        Paulo

        when i go to migrate it just freezes

        • George

          George

          Hi Paulo,

          When migrating, I’d just let it run for a while – it may seem like its frozen, but if you just leave it for a little while, it should migrate properly. The larger the project, the longer it might take.

          Thanks,

          George

  19. Robin Eyre

    Robin Eyre

    Hi,

    An interesting move. I’m still relatively new to this niche/authoritative site building industry so it’ll be interesting to see the differences.

    Spencer, does the target of a KC of 30-35 still apply with Majestic then (as many of my interesting KCs have moved northwards). Or do your guidelines still apply after this move?

    Many thanks.

    Robin

    • George

      George

      Hi Robin,

      Replied someone else above with this:

      The new KC score is something we’re going to be working on actively – for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30 (look for keywords under KC 40). We’re going to recalibrate KC at some point in the near future so it’s more in line with the previous score.

  20. Austin

    Austin

    Hey Spencer,

    I noticed that the KC scores with the Majestic implementation are a great deal higher than the MOZ ones. Are your suggestions for finding quality keywords going to change?

    Like 30 KC was a good roof to target, but will that raise to 35 or 40 now?

    Thanks,
    Austin

    • George

      George

      Hi Austin,

      Replied someone else above with this:

      The new KC score is something we’re going to be working on actively – for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30 (look for keywords under KC 40). We’re going to re-calibrate KC at some point in the near future so it’s more in line with the previous score.

  21. Ben

    Ben

    I just migrated my 450 phrase campaign and it looks like the KC score has increased an average of 10-15 points for every phrase from the low to mid-20’s to mostly the high 30’s to mid 40’s?

    Should I scrap these phrases, or is “35” the new “20”?

    • George

      George

      Hi Ben,

      Replied someone else above with this:

      The new KC score is something we’re going to be working on actively – for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30 (look for keywords under KC 40). We’re going to re-calibrate KC at some point in the near future so it’s more in line with the previous score.

  22. JB Leep

    JB Leep

    Same question for me, Spencer. What are the new site/mature site guidelines with the new parameters?

  23. Dan W

    Dan W

    Yikes!
    I think we have to wait on Spencer here for KC modification interpretation. I think with software like LTP, we become spoiled and forget how to check software results, ex KC manually using human judgement. You guys are ahead of me here as I have not done the conversion to MAJESTIC for my current niche project.
    However if you recall, PERRIN CARRELL,{and of course Spencer Haws) gave pertinent instruction on how to proofread and double check KC figures or any sofware result, manually. The manual way is to analyze the top 3 websites in SERPS to see how competitive nature one is dealing with given the particulare keyword using concepts such as

    length of article
    quality of article
    number of backlinks website has
    number of images
    relevance
    SEO compliance
    age of website

    What I’m trying to say is software like LTP is a timesaver but one still needs to understand the algorithm it uses and how it is used or one probably is at a disadvantage in producing a successful niche website. It may be the current update has some initial bugs and the figures you are describing will be adjusted once the LTP support team gets the time to analyze the MAJESTIC KC results. Certainly, KC figures that were 20, that jump to 35 or 40 just can’t be correct in my estimation. MOZ just could not be that far off the mark. This is a wait n see in my opinion, for Spencer and crew!

    Perrrin Carrell, who has left Niche Pursuits recently explained this phenomena on another website as a guest post in a debate of who has the best KEYWORD TOOL among LTP and newcomers MOZ, SEMRUSH and other major players, I found it interesting and perhaps controversial; nonetheless educational!

  24. Frosty

    Frosty

    I would love to know this also. Most of my keywords increased at least 10-15 as well. Does that mean target new ones or is it like one guy said, is “35” the new “20”?

    • George

      George

      Hi Frosty,

      Replied someone else above with this:

      The new KC score is something we’re going to be working on actively – for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30 (look for keywords under KC 40). We’re going to re-calibrate KC at some point in the near future so it’s more in line with the previous score.

  25. Frosty

    Frosty

    I would love to know this also. Most of my keywords increased at least 10-15 as well. Does that mean target new ones or is it like one guy said, is “35” the new “20”?

  26. Ben

    Ben

    Here is what the increase looks like for me across 450+ keyword phrases. (https://imgur.com/WzC3SJ6)

    I understand that the phrases didn’t just become twice as competitive overnight, but it’s frustrating when all the guides and documentation of the software don’t get updated alongside the release.

    • Austin

      Austin

      and it’s even more frustrating when no one addresses the issue

    • Dan

      Dan

      I mentioned this in a comment earlier… we still need the ability to run these keywords in Moz. It doesn’t hurt anything to leave that in the software since it’s already built in basically.

      Why remove it? Just add another column so we can use both Majestic and Moz.

      • Dan W

        Dan W

        Perrin Carrell, ex “long tail” employee has spilled the beans so to speak. Person in a guest post has revealed the 2 gentlemen who purchasedvan 80 percent share in ownership of the “Long Tail Pro” software. SPENCER Haws still owns a minority 20 percent.
        The question now is who is running the show here on this software. Did the new owners make the bold decision to switch to Majestic. I do not hear or see a response to the issue of KC figures from Majestic metrics, are substantially inflated compared to MOZ metrics. Did not someone even test run the revision before this modification in the software was made? If MOZ is not available to use in conjunction with Majestics metrics, then I’m inclined to favor going back to the original use of MOZ metrics until the bugs are ironed out. POINT;SAMARA IN NICHE PROJECT 3 Z NOW HAS HER WEBSITE PUBLICLY REVEALED AS PROMISED. SAMARA USED MOZ METRICS AND HER KEYWORDS ARE GROWING AND RANKING JUST FINE. There is an old saying, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”.Right now I trust Spencer Haws: I am not familiar with the 80 percent 2 man ownership. Question: WHO NOW IS RUNNING THE SHOW WITH THIS SOFTWARE?

    • George

      George

      Hi Guys,

      Replied someone else above with this:

      The new KC score is something we’re going to be working on actively – for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30 (look for keywords under KC 40). We’re going to re-calibrate KC at some point in the near future so it’s more in line with the previous score.

      • Dan

        Dan

        This should be done asap, as I’ve started to re-run a lot of my data and it’s so all over the place compared to where it previous was, I have no idea what’s considered competitive and what is not. It’s almost useless until we get a baseline.

  27. John

    John

    Hello, Spencer, It’s a smart decision comes from you.It was our significant demand.Now we can find out error free and more powerful keyword data within a minute.Thanks for this excellent choice.

  28. James

    James

    yeah . i know that from a long time that Moz is about to be end and yes it is ended now.
    and according to me , TF,CF is easy to understand than DA,PA.thought Moz have some good metrics like social signals but after all i would like to give a like for Majestic.

  29. Majeed Ahmad

    Majeed Ahmad

    AWESOME Work ! Thanks For Updating Us.

  30. Nate

    Nate

    After the update took place I now have the KC metrics added into my long tail pro which is awesome! I just wanted to make sure this isn’t a temporary fluke since I’m not a plat user before I get to happy.

    • Nate

      Nate

      George could you let me know on mine question above please?

  31. Tomislav

    Tomislav

    All these articles to be redone now… Well looking forward to more precise research from now on at least 🙂

  32. Andrew

    Andrew

    Hey guys!
    Do you think a niche sites could work for a small geographical market (6 millions of people)? Ive been looking for some good niche ideas, but the general rules somehow dont seem to apply. There is too low search volume for longer-tail keywords. You can always find some, but competition is low – nobody is advertising and the only thing that seems to be profitable are mass products in big markets. Could this be the case that demand for niche is too low?

    Competing with big players is not an option, so should one move to a bigger market? I would have to provide content in english then, which might be a little bit of problem for me 😀 Thank you for your insights!

    • Andrew

      Andrew

      I forgot to mention that keyword competitiveness is almost ALWAYS under 30 … what do you think about that?

      • George

        George

        Niche sites can work in a small geographical market – they tend to be significantly easier to rank for. On the other hand, the potential of earnings from a site targeting a smaller market are obviously less – especially if you get to a size where you can’t grow anymore.

        But if you’re in a small market, I’d compete in that market for your first site – it’s definitely easier, and you should get results quicker than you would targeting the US.

  33. Suyesh

    Suyesh

    It’s a very good news that LTP has finally made the switch to Majestic. Moz’s backlink database was pathetic, especially the page links and juice links option. There is still a problem though with rank checker, which is showing incorrect ranks. Hoping to get that fixed soon as well.

  34. Daan

    Daan

    Dear Spencer,

    Please address the issue of the inflated KC due to the switch.
    Simply ignoring this problem is not the solution. Many clients deserve some feedback.
    I also saw an increase for a certain important keyword from 11 to 29.
    We need new guidelines, please address this problem asap.
    I could send you the old and the new stats for that specific keyword in order to help you determine new guidelines.

    Regards,

    Daan

    • Vladimir

      Vladimir

      Looking forward to the reply too 🙂

    • George

      George

      Hi Daan,

      Replied someone else above with this:

      The new KC score is something we’re going to be working on actively – for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30 (look for keywords under KC 40). We’re going to re-calibrate KC at some point in the near future so it’s more in line with the previous score.

  35. Dan

    Dan

    Trying to update but LTP just freezes, any ideas why?

  36. Dan W

    Dan W

    I’m atually shocked and confused that a number of us patrons are currently happy to the switch to Majestic from Moz.
    It’s great that Majestci stats are updated and have a greater database. But at the moment, KC data in the conversion, are increasing at what seems to be 50 to 75%.

    Perhaps the original program in was created to be used with the Moz API and the conversion so far has not been smooth to Majestic metrics. I believe Spencer is probably attempting to address the issue with staff programmers. I’m the meantime, I just feel comfortable with MOZ.Perhaps having both available would slow down the software. Hope a response, and/or fix comes in a reasonable timeframe. Granted, programming software can be a complicated process.

  37. Dan

    Dan

    assuming there are some bugs still to iron out , deos anyone know if it is possible to rollback to an earlier version of LTP and use that for the time being?

    • Dan W

      Dan W

      Yes that would be great. A certain option giving flexibility. There is a certain “no response” from the LTP regime here. It appears that there are problems which they do not want to admit at risk if losing monthly membership fees. Maybe some arguments behind closed doors. A margin of error when dealing with statistics is normally at most + or- 5%. The changes have 50 to 75% jumps in KC data. Hello Perrin Carrell, where are you. What is going on? For Spencer not even to reply or address the issue at this point leads me to believe there is discord and controversy behind closed doors. This never occurred when Spencer Haws owned this software 100%. I won’t go any furthur at this point and hope I am wrong. It is not like Spencer Haas to address any issue promptly. Just very strange at this point, is my impression. I stiill appreciate what he has taught us all in affiliate marketing. Wait and see, I guess!!!!

      • George

        George

        Hi Dan W,

        Firstly, sorry for the delayed response. The lack of response here was not intentional – we’re basically working on a lot of stuff (including a cloud version of the product) and I dropped the ball when it comes to answering comments here.

        Below is a reply addressing the KC concerns:

        The new KC score is something we’re going to be working on actively – for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30 (look for keywords under KC 40). We’re going to re-calibrate KC at some point in the near future so it’s more in line with the previous score.

        • Dan W

          Dan W

          YAHOO! Made ny day. Grest response George!

          I now can sleep at night. LOL. Sorry for the pressure on you guys at LTP: but as you know , keyword research is alot of work. I now know it did not go out the window.
          Oh by the way, communication and great content makes a satisfied customer.Lol!
          Thank you for the disclosure of furthur improvements planned. LTP and staff, you are the best: you guys were just giving us a stress test!We are all alive and well. Thank you again for the response, George. I’m good now.

  38. GDB

    GDB

    Can we please get some guidance on how to work with and interpret the new data from a LTP perspective? It’s been a week.

  39. Ben

    Ben

    LTP Support gave the same answer of “we believe the metrics are now more accurate”

    Welp, Glad I spent all that time and money ($,$$$) building content and links for terms that now have a competition level of “Very High” to “Extremely High”

    This is getting cancelled before the next monthly payment if this isn’t addressed.

    • George

      George

      Hi Ben,

      Below is a reply addressing the KC concerns:

      The new KC score is something we’re going to be working on actively – for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30 (look for keywords under KC 40). We’re going to re-calibrate KC at some point in the near future so it’s more in line with the previous score.

  40. Bert Cho

    Bert Cho

    same issue with KC… I believe there is a new scale to use to measure “competitiveness”. If someone from LTP can confirm this that will be great. Thanks Spencer for your help on this.

    • George

      George

      Hi Bert,

      Below is a reply addressing the KC concerns:

      The new KC score is something we’re going to be working on actively – for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30 (look for keywords under KC 40). We’re going to re-calibrate KC at some point in the near future so it’s more in line with the previous score.

  41. Paulo

    Paulo

    I got a similar reply ie it’s more accurate…I think that the scales have just shifted I’m guessing the 30 is 45 Keywords didn’t become competitive over night.

    • Daan

      Daan

      Hey Paulo,

      I agree, My original focus KW of 11 went up to 29. I have another one that went from 18 to 36. Then another one from 19 to 29. Then one from 30 to 45. And one from 32 to 35. And one from 30 to 43.

      I think targetting everything below 45 is ok.

      I was in touch with a developer, he doesn’t respond to my question for new guidelines. What a frustrating approach of Spencer and team. Show some balls and respect and take your responsibility!

      You change the rules overnight and you don’t let the players know what the new rules are…

      Awaiting a response from a LTP employee with common sense!

      • George

        George

        Hi Daan,

        Apologies for the delayed response.

        Below is a reply addressing the KC concerns:

        The new KC score is something we’re going to be working on actively – for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30 (look for keywords under KC 40). We’re going to re-calibrate KC at some point in the near future so it’s more in line with the previous score.

  42. Ben

    Ben

    These changes of how KC is calculated are extremely annoying. This happened a while ago too, when you changed how KC was calculated with Moz. And now you’ve changed it to Majestic, and further changes are coming? It’s not that I complain about the fact that you are making the KC calculator more accurate, it’s that every time you change it the scale of what is good and bad changes, and this creates a lot of confusion for me and my employees who are used to one scale, have set certain levels of KC to target for different search volume etc, and are comparing old keywords they have research to new. Everything becomes messed up when the scale shifts and we have to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out. So therefore, please, if you do make any future changes to KC, then put effort into making sure that the scale stays the same – just implementing different data messes everything up and makes the KC extremely confusing.

    • George

      George

      Hi Ben,

      Apologies for the inconvenience Ben – we really do believe the KC score is better now than it was before, but we understand your frustration.

      Below is a reply addressing the KC concerns:

      The new KC score is something we’re going to be working on actively – for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30 (look for keywords under KC 40). We’re going to re-calibrate KC at some point in the near future so it’s more in line with the previous score.

  43. Dan Buckley

    Dan Buckley

    Darn, and just when I bought the yearly for platinum. Trying to follow along with Niche Site 3.0. Hope this gets ironed out and we can get some guidance.

  44. Paulo Nogueira

    Paulo Nogueira

    how do we get UK search results on here?

  45. Higgins

    Higgins

    Is it perhaps an idea to downgrade everybody back to the moz version till the KC in combination with Majestic is “more in line with the old scale” ?

  46. Rock

    Rock

    Hi George, you wrote “for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30” One of my keywords has jumped from KC 22 to KC 43. Do you have a download link for the previous version before the update. As customers we should have the option to keep using the Moz metric version. As it seems many customers are having trouble with this update. Cheers

    • JB Leep

      JB Leep

      I keep a copy of this stuff around for problems like this. And good backups.

      http://jbshare.com/LongTailPlatinum3049.zip
      http://jbshare.com/AdobeAIRInstaller.exe

      Make sure you make a backup of
      C:\Users\%yourusercode%\AppData\Roaming\com.longtailpro.LongTailPro
      You will find that the projects that have been migrated have the new KCs and you will have to Recalc them back to the old values. Each time you start you will have to say “Later” for the upgrade.

  47. Rock

    Rock

    Hi George, you wrote “for the moment I’d treat KC 40 as the new KC 30” One of my keyword has jumped from KC 22 to KC 43. Do you have a download link for the previous version before the update. As customers we should have the option to keep using the Moz metric version. As it seems many customers are having trouble with this update.

  48. Mario

    Mario

    Hi guys,

    I have upgraded to 3.1 version with majestic but both the Find keywords and retrieval of KC is not working, I get the following error. I’ve tried reloading a few times but doesn’t help – this was a project that I migrated.

    Thu Jun 16 2016 10:38:49 PM — Error Getting Majestic Data: Status CODE: 500

    • George

      George

      Hi Mario, could you sent his in to support team at longtailpro.com/support if you haven’t already?

      Thanks

      • Shailesh Kumar

        Shailesh Kumar

        Same problem. Getting KC worked for a few days after the migration but has not worked for over a month now with the 500 error from Majestic.

        Have been working with the LTP support (ticket # 15420) and last I heard was I should create a new Adwords account and rebuild my keyword list from scratch. With around 50,000 keywords in my project, this suggestion is a serious no go for me. Not to mention it is curious that a 500 error code from Majestic would require me to create a new Google Adwords account. Does not compute.

        Worse, the support keeps closing the ticket without fixing the problem and I have to keep requesting the ticket to be re-opened.

        I am seriously unhappy and wondering why I should keep paying for a non functional software.

  49. Janet Camilleri

    Janet Camilleri

    Currently when I look up keywords that my site ranks well in, the Domain CF and TF shows just “…” on Long Tail Pro – what does this mean? When will it be fixed?

  50. Karl Kangur

    Karl Kangur

    This is going to be a change that’ll take time to adapt to, but hopefully for the better as you guys say.

    Why don’t you partner up with Ahrefs (or use their API) for the KC? It KILLS the indexes of Majestic and Moz combined. There’s so much more data.

    • George

      George

      Hi,

      Ahrefs is something that we looked at, but their API isn’t that friendly – basically, if we want to have a tool that’s open to the public and use their API, every single users of the tool needs to also be an Ahrefs subscriber – that means that LTP would be our cost ($37 a month) + $99 a month for Ahrefs subscription.

      Obviously this isn’t something we want for our users, and we feel Majestic is just as good as Ahrefs anyways, so we’re happy with the decision we made.

      Thanks,

      George

  51. Muhammad Imran

    Muhammad Imran

    Hi Spencer,
    Thanks for the latest updates. I have not used Majestic yet, and that is why I don’t know which metrics I consider while choosing low competitive KWs.
    Would you please like to tell me which parameters (CF, TF, etc.) Do I look for before picking the low competitive buy profitable KW?

    Thanks,
    M Imran

  52. henry

    henry

    Hey Hello Everyone here! pretty exiting news about the new majestic implementation! i have a question!!

    what about the google and bing (allintitle:) competition and their infinite captchas and how this gonna affect to the data fetching speed?

    LTP lately has become very slow in data fetching speed!

    • George

      George

      Unfortunately, I don’t think allintitle: is really all that viable without getting captcha-ed by google just due to the nature of the feature.

  53. Tuhin Adhikary

    Tuhin Adhikary

    Hi Spencer,

    So KC 40 should be considered as KC 30, please confirm this.

    Also, I find some high KC keywords are appearing low KC now, any note on that.

    • George

      George

      Yup, for the next couple of weeks anyways. Due to user feedback we’ll be adjusting the KC downwards a little at some point in the near future, but for now I’d target things under KC 40 instead o under KC 30.

  54. Viljoen

    Viljoen

    Very interesting. I am so used to MOZ data at the moment. Will there be any training as how to incorporate the new metrics to analyse the competition?

    Thanks

    Viljoen

  55. Mohit

    Mohit

    Hi Spencer,

    I read somewhere ahrefs have more data than majestic. So why you choose majestic over Ahrefs? & and cf,tf is not a reliable source to get kc, because it can be manupulate like hell. So really user get benifit to get actual keywords competition?

    • George

      George

      Hi,

      Ahrefs is something that we looked at, but their API isn’t that friendly – basically, if we want to have a tool that’s open to the public and use their API, every single users of the tool needs to also be an Ahrefs subscriber – that means that LTP would be our cost ($37 a month) + $99 a month for Ahrefs subscription.

      Obviously this isn’t something we want for our users, and we feel Majestic is just as good as Ahrefs anyways, so we’re happy with the decision we made.

      Also, Majestic TF is very difficult to manipulate. Majestic CF can be manipulated, but it is still definitely harder to do that then manipulate PA (or DA).

      Besides, manipulating metrics is ultimately pointless – the goal is to rank in Google, and the metrics are a byproduct of that. There’s virtually no point in trying to boost your PA, DA, CF, TF if you don’t think what you’re doing will also boost your rankings.

      Thanks,

      George

  56. irfan

    irfan

    Hi George,

    Thanks for the feedback, ok so KC of 40 would be 30 in the new version, so what about 25, 20 etc ? Do we simply subtract 10 from the new KC score ? (40-10 = 30) or simply divide by 1.3 (40/1.3= 30)
    Because I need to know what would old values of KC of 25, 20 or 50 would be in the new KC score?

    • George

      George

      I’d say just subtract 10 for the time being, we’re going to re calibrate KC reasonably soon. That’s a good rule of thumb I think.

  57. Azad

    Azad

    AHREF AHREF AHREF!!!

    • George

      George

      Replied someone else earlier:
      Hi,

      Ahrefs is something that we looked at, but their API isn’t that friendly – basically, if we want to have a tool that’s open to the public and use their API, every single users of the tool needs to also be an Ahrefs subscriber – that means that LTP would be our cost ($37 a month) + $99 a month for Ahrefs subscription.
      Obviously this isn’t something we want for our users, and we feel Majestic is just as good as Ahrefs anyways, so we’re happy with the decision we made.

  58. henry

    henry

    i pay for the test, and the software never worked… and i try to fix it a lot of times…

  59. Eli

    Eli

    Hi, I’m a blogger who is still learning about all these SEO magical tools and how to rank higher on Google.
    As a Platinum member, this new update really took me by surprise and considering there is a nonexisting documentation as of how to best benefit from all the new features I felt very much left in the cold. The LTP support is very slow responding and frankly they hardly ever manage to resolve any of issues in less than 2 weeks. I really don’t know what to make from all this new data and how to properly determine if my website can rank for keywords. I post every day which means I search for keywords every day! When LTP university will be updated and where can i find a proper and quick explanation on strategies in the meanwhile? I hope you understand that if people don’t understand how to use your software there is no point of buying it and even new updates don’t really matter!!!!!

  60. seospritz

    seospritz

    I wrote a post on the group where taking the metrics of another software that made the reverse transition , seem more realistic , even paste the ladder here , see if you can help .

    0 – 9: go for it
    10 – 19: super easy
    20 – 29: easy
    30 – 39: not hard
    40 – 54: possible
    55 – 74: hard
    75 – 89: super hard
    90 – 100: don’t do it

  61. Heidi

    Heidi

    Is there a post that explains all of the new columns in detail?

    What should you do when it shows 0 internal links and 0 indexed links?

  62. dhtang

    dhtang

    Hi Spencer Haws
    in the top 10 of google, analysis LTP 3.0:
    1. Site content with lower quality or anser fully does’nt seach query.
    2. A few exact site keyword targeting is not in the title.
    3. No more coal 1 or 2 root domains
    4. At Least 2 sites have low juice under PA30 + links page (under 30)
    5. A few sites is preferred DA Low (under 30)
    6. A few sites less than a year old.
    7. 2 + weaker preferred sites. Q & A sites like or forums. etc
    8. A few sites like mine – preferably in the top 3 spots.
    9. Keyword Competitiveness (KC) of 30 or less Preferred.

    So according to the LTP 3.1, How to analysis changing the criteria ?
    Example: KC replaced with <40
    PA30 replace it with?
    DA30 replace it with?
    JPL replace it with?
    hope you respond soon, because I had bought LTP 3.1 that no new guidelines on competitive analysis, thank you.

  63. Josh

    Josh

    So just for clarification, TF and CF relate to the page, and Domain TF/CF relate to the entire domain?

  64. Ben

    Ben

    Please be sure to clearly let us know in advance when you adjust the KC further. For example when you made changes to it a couple of months ago and you were still using Moz, I had no idea it had been changed and I spent days doing keyword research with a KC that had in fact been adjusted upwards, which meant that I then had to redo much of the work.

    With your latest updates the problem isn’t only that it has been adjusted upwards, all keywords have basically been cramped together at around around 35-45. These keywords used to be spread over like 20-60 in KC, but now the difference is very small between the keywords, and it makes it hard for guidance. Also the KC doesn’t provide much guidance anymore based on how it is calculated. You always give standard replies like “we believe it’s better now”, but that’s not what anyone who is actually working with this believes. I have done a tons of tests with the KC. Even keywords that have say 3 websites ranking in the top 10 that are under a year ord with less than 15 in both DA/TS get a KC of like 45. It’s crazy, since that is exactly the kind of keyword that we would want to see a low KC of like 20 or less, since it proves that the keyword is extremely easy, even for new websites, to rank for.

  65. James

    James

    It had been well known for awhile that DA/PA can more easily be manipulated with low quality links. Now that your tool uses Majestic, I will take another look at it. Good move!

  66. Pritom Roy

    Pritom Roy

    How should we use TF and CF while doing KW Research and Competitors analysis. Please explain a bit.

    Thanks is advance.
    H LTP (Platinum) User Since 2015 🙂

  67. RonD

    RonD

    Hi There:

    I hate getting way down in the weeds, but I feel I must.

    In comparing keyword results between the new system and the old system, I am left confused and frankly troubled and alarmed. Let’s take the keyword “used welding machines for sale in louisiana.” Under the old system, it had an average KC rank of about 15–there are 20 search results a month in the U.S.

    Under the new system, “used welding machines for sale in louisiana” has a KC rank of a whopping 36! A crappy 7-word keyword that no one would want to use because it is only searched 20 times a month is considered overly competitive on the new system because we want to keep below 30.

    Further, when you check “used welding machines for sale in louisiana” on Google, there is only one search result. When you click on the keyword in Longtail, there are indeed 10 results but none of them actually appear on the Google search page.

    You have said in a lot of introductory material that we are not competing against all of the searches in Google, just what is on page one. You have to beat page 1 results to be on page one.

    In looking at Google with this keyword with only one search result, I should be able to rank instantly for “used welding machines for sale in louisiana” because there is only one result. But looking at that keyword in Longtail, it looks like, once again, I would get the crap beat out of me by the big guys.

    I have checked out other keywords as well. Under the old system, I discovered keywords that were not very competitive, but under the new system, they are beyond what I could compete with. And it is not just jacking up the cut-off to 40. Results that under the old system were between 20-30 are up around 45-55.

    I am concerned about this new system. Do I need to check out each keyword individually on a Google search? Is there yet another piece of software I need to buy to compare keywords?

    Thanks

    Ron

  68. Osteen James

    Osteen James

    Spencer, I have followed your blog for years.

    I bought LTP when it first came out years ago.

    I have watched your brand grow and am happy for you.

    Now, I would like to say a thing or two about this huge change that’s been made to LTP.

    If there is any sentiment I have about what is going on here, it is a bad feeling that you don’t care about your customers.

    How can you make such a huge change in a half-hazard manner, you of all people should know better?

    It just appears to me that you messed everything up in the process of upgrading the tool.

    You should have done an extensive testing of this new version, before baptizing everyone in this quagmire.

    The selling point of LTP is the KC score. You should know this, but seeing what is happening here, it appears that it’s either you don’t know, or you don’t just value your customers.

    You are killing the tool and killing the interest of the people who depend on your tool to make a living.

    The way you handled this change or upgrade is very poor and insensitive, just to say the least.

    As a user of your tool I have come to love it so much, but maybe you don’t give a damn about it anymore, and that’s a shame.

    Fix this mess, please, Spencer!

    Regards

    James

    PS: Remember how people ditched MS for LTP? People can ditch LTP for something else if you keep pissing them off like this.

    PSS: Maybe you shouldn’t have sold the tool.

    PSSS: I Love LTP, Please Don’t Kill It For Everyone.

  69. Dan W

    Dan W

    Well. Lets look perhaps on the positive side. How many years has Spencer Haws been in this business. Gee a certain lock to label “a success”. So maybe these people here know what they are doing. The cost of membership for access to this valuable keyword tool has been reasonable. Some of the other big outfits like Moz or SEOCockpit charge what most beginning affiliate marketeers would find expensive and/or unaffordable.
    So Im sure the staff at MOZ outnumbers LTP in the research and development department and they probably charge $100 or more per month for various products. I guess we can give Ben and crew a chance to re-format and re program LTP where it has great accuracy and desired operating speed, Ben has already hinted at a new programming feature to be used. Hey this might take a month to see results, maybe longer, If you don’t have patience in affiliate marketing, this may not be your cup of tea. Remember when Penguin and other updates came out a couple of years ago and destroyed many successful affiliate sites for exposed private blog networks and spam links, Many were saying affiliate marketing is now dead. Change is a part of this business and life in general. Niche Project 3 taught how AM is not dead, but a different ballgame now. I’m going to wait and see as I did after the Google updates. Why would a team of successful Affiliate Marketeers destroy or bring down a well renowned keyword tool? Programming takes time ;so for a month or so, I guess we can just chill and use what we have done as far as keyword research and adapt as best we can.

  70. David F

    David F

    Hi All

    I’ve just read through all the comments and people don’t seem very happy about the switch. I agree with Dan W above when he says to relax and wait. The guys at Wired Investors just paid 1.8 million dollars for LongtailPro…they are not going to do anything to harm their investment. Changes like this take time and any change to the status quo is painful.

    Here are my thoughts on the common issues that seem to be upsetting people….

    1. Change without communication: Could this switch have been handled better…Probably….but no one is perfect.

    2. Keywords have suddenly got more competitive: This is where I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the situation. The keywords have not gotten more competitive, you are just looking at them though a different set of data. Think of it like this….you are going to drive from Washington DC to Los Angeles (if you are in the US) or Sydney to Perth ( if you are in Australia) or just pick the two major cities furthest apart wherever you live. So you jump into your car and enter you destination into your car’s GPS system and it tells you the distance you have to travel in MILES ( lets say it 2,668 MILES). So off you go on your merry way and at some point you stop for a bite to eat and petrol (Gas). As you pull into the diner/ petrol station you glance at the GPS and you see that you have 2,000 MILES left to travel. You get food and refill the car and as you start the car you hear a small fizz from your GPS system…you look at it and it now tells you that you have 3,219 to travel….you look again and are confused….then you notice that the distance is in kilometres. Now when you got out of the car you had 2,000 MILES left to travel and when you got back in you had 3,219 Kilometres to travel….does that mean that Los Angeles got up and moved further away while you were eating? Of course not… you are looking at the same information through different sets of data. What you have to do is find the correlation between the different data sets ….THIS is what I believe is happening at the moment with LongtailPro. The guys are trying to find the correlation between the moz data and the majestic data. It requires testing etc. We all know the correlation between Miles and Kilometres , 1 mile = 1.6 Kilometres….but somewhere in the past someone that to find that out by testing. So I believe that the brainiacs at LTP are testing to find the correlation between the easy – difficult spectrum according to the moz data and the new majestic datastream. So a KC of 25 using the moz data may correlate to a KC of 95 using the Majestic Data……same outcome/ meaning just viewed through different data.

    I don’t believe that keywords have gotten more competitive….They just look that way.

    2. LTP should show both Moz and Majestic data…..I think this stems from changing from the known to unknown. If you take my example of Miles and Kilometres it’s like asking your GPS system to show both Miles and KM’s at the same time. But once you become familiar and comfortable using the new datastream the old data stream is redundant because it’s just telling you the same thing. Plus…if LTP did show both datastreams the price would skyrocket…why?…because everytime a user runs a search in LTP (the software), LTP (the company) pays a fee to the source of the data ( Moz and now Majestic)…so LTP’s ( the company) costs rise significantly therefore the price would have to raise to match. I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t want to pay for two different datastreams that tell me the exact same thing.

    Just my two cents

  71. Marco T

    Marco T

    Hi,
    In my opinion all they should do to make it right is UPDATE the How-to videos with the new Majestic metrics.
    A thorough tutorial on the new metrics is a must and would be much appreciated.

    P.S. The description of the metrics provided by LTP (when you click the little “?” icon) for the Domain CF and Domain TF is wrong; might be inverted.

    P.S. (2) As I learned; CT does not show Link juice.

    Thanks

  72. Vinod

    Vinod

    Hi,

    One thing I have noted that the Page Rank is missing, which according to me was an important factor. Also I see there is no other easy method to get it.

  73. Vinod

    Vinod

    Hi,

    I see the Page Rank is also missing from the new update, which according to me was also a important factor. and I couldn’t figure out any easy way to find them.

    Are there any possibilities of adding Page Rank and any other easy way to get it.!!

  74. Sajib

    Sajib

    Hi Spencer,
    Make a tutorial about Majestic Metrics on long tail pro update version. I think it will be helpful for all of the users.
    Thanks.

  75. Vinod

    Vinod

    I think the animated bubble on “Domain CF” is wrong, it says – (A number from 0 to 100 that measures the quality of links to a domain. A high score indicates that a site is closely linked to one or more trusted sites) – is this not should be the definition of Domain TF and vise versa.

    Please check.

  76. Aston

    Aston

    Wow, so, I’ve decided to add another website to my portfolio.

    I’ve come onto LTP and I am baffled by the change to say the least lol.

    Feels weird knowing exactly what to look for, for so long, only for the metrics to change and the KC to be way off.

    Kind of makes me feel like they make it up as they go along sometimes.

    Baffled.

  77. Dan W

    Dan W

    Sounds like the now “popular request for an update tutorial” cannot be made at the moment because it takes some time observing our numbers and what the patterns will come out like. This LTP is now a “beta version” and we are assisting the owners of the software in determining what the new criteria will pan out for KC metrics. George and Ben ,I believe, are the 80 percent majority owners of this new venture. This is NO LONGER A “SPENCER HAWS” with the midas touch. This is the “Ben and George” show given Spencer took 1.8 milion to leave the mastery of the software to these 2 new young fellas, with good intention, I believe. I also believe the requested tutorial will come in time when it is professionally ready to do so. LTP is not a giant company like SEMRUSH or MOZ, then again we are not paying subscriptions fees of 200 to 300 dollars a month. Take a look what AHREF charges. You will get all you need if you want to pay $2400 yearly. Perhaps, in the meantime, as frustrating as it is, use some common sense, and make our own comparative study for the conversion from MOZ to Majestic metrics. The brain is meant to be used. We are not in first grade here. i will say it again one more time. People keep addressing Spencer here. SPENCER sold the software. He has 20 percent stake now which is nothing, but he is over a million richer to his personal success and credit. Legally and morally, this software now has very little to do with Spencer due to majority sale of his interest. It is up to the new ownership how involved Spencer is going to be. By the way, this is not the only keyword research tool in existence. There are many, some others can also be good. Ever heard of Google Keyword Planner? When a car is in the repair shop, do we not use a different car temporarily or a car loaner substitute?

  78. Federico

    Federico

    The product is great but i am not happy with the support. I have been trying to buy a new license, I can’t and the support doesn’t help me.

    I have being waiting 4 days to buy LongTailPro 1 year subscription.

    • Dan W

      Dan W

      I have always had good response within 24 hours of sending email to below listed support

      support@longtailpro.com

      There is a new beta version transition going on with the software so perhaps there is a chance they are not delivering software to new customers at the moment until bugs are cleared out. This is just purely speculation though, Have you tried the above email support I have listed?

      Under normal circumstances, I have found support to be quite accomodating and quick!

      Another idea is to try CLICKBANK since it sounds like you are a new prospective customer. CLICKBANK handles all initial and recurring payments on behalf of LONG TAIL PRO and also have a customer support line phone number which is

      800 390 6035

      good luck and hope this gets you better answers!

  79. Irene

    Irene

    Great Work Spencer and Your Team

    LongTail Pro is a game changer.

    I hope this will make things even much easier in finding a perfect keyword to target.

  80. Niv

    Niv

    Is anybody else experiencing this problem that I have, support is still unable to resolve it:
    I am unable to keep a keyword expanded longer than 3 seconds. Once I expand the keyword to view the sites that rank for the related keywords, the expanded box which lists the sites that rank for that keyword automatically closes – reverts back to the search results. I have followed instructions from the support team and it did not help.
    Even re-installed Adobe air and LTP. No difference. I am convinced that this is a bug.
    I am simply unable to view the sites that rank for a keyword or related keywords. Please help to resolve as this is very urgent. Alternatively – if it cannot be fixed – I would like a refund. I have only been running LTP for about 2 weeks – and I purchased the annual package.

    • Dan W

      Dan W

      I can understand your frustration especially since you have purchased the annual plan. I believe your transaction is managed through Clickbank which means you have an unconditional 6p day refund policy, best of my recollection. LTP Support does have a high rating for solving issues. How long have they been working on your issue?

      • typo

        typo

        Sorry, typo. Meant to say 60 day refund policy generally through clickbank purchases

  81. Serp You

    Serp You

    Majestic has become a very useful tool for seo and marketing specialists. I use it for competitors and keywords research.

  82. Muhammad ismail

    Muhammad ismail

    Just bought Longtailprp Platinum version when i heared that Longtailpro is shifted to Majestic service. Hope will get latest information now!

  83. Jake

    Jake

    Hi, I was wondering if longtail university will be updated to show us how we should be using the updated software. Personally I’m more of a visual learner. Any help would be appreciated.

  84. Boris

    Boris

    When you will fix LTP pro? I have a problem with retreiving data about competition. For some KW’s LTP give me all websites and KC and for some nothing. I reported this problem to your support team, but you didn’t fix anything!

  85. Art

    Art

    Ok, to make it really clear for me to not kill myself out of frustration:). If I keep on going with the older Moz version and go with their numbers, am I still fine or doomed to fail my money quest?
    Other question?
    Hopefully sb. can answer this here too!
    If the Kw is under 30 (older LTP version), but there are only sites that are far over one year (5-20), are they still worth pursuing or not?

  86. Dan W

    Dan W

    i am concentrating on one niche project at the moment. I finished significant initial keyword research under the MOZ UMBRELLA so to speak. I am too chicken to hit the migrate button because of negative issues dictated here regarding conversion using the new MAJESTIC UMBRELLA. It is my belief if you are still using MOZ numbers you will do fine. One can always manually double check the SERPS against the KC results.
    My opinion is site age or 5 years to 20 years is not really considered to be a ‘DOPELGANGER”. I would say approximately 2 years maximum with site age and having al least 2 dopelgangers in the top 10 serps is recommended for long tail keyword choices.(there are always some minute exceptions)
    I have not heard of the promised “cloud version” arrival yet which is the speedy process for software output. Has anyone received software updates for the CLOUD VERSION and is the KC still as confusing under the MAJESTIC UMBRELLA; or do you people feel there has been improvements for accuracy and ease of use. The initial complaints weeks ago were alarming. Figured I would possibly get some feedback here if things are going better under MAJESTIC TRUST FLOW parameters.

  87. Dan W

    Dan W

    OK. I guess I am going to answer my own comment, partially perhaps. I just headed over to the LONGTAILPRO.COM BLOG and on/ about July 26th, George says in a comment reply, that the new calibration adjustments are expected to be finished in about 2 weeks. So I guess that means in mid-August,, we will have updated adjustment guidelines using the NEW MAJESTIC trust flow model. Good luck fellow NichePursuit members! Any current feedback is appreciated!

  88. Higgins

    Higgins

    I just downgraded to the moz version again. What a relief, its like a weight has been lifted of my shoulders.

    I am sure the Majestic version is made with the best intentions and will be more accurate. but man have i felt lost in the woods the last few weeks, not only was i faced with a very different KC but the inability to see the metrics i’ve come to know so well over the years are all gone in the new version, I want to be able to see DA and PA of the top 10,,,,, please please pretty please add those 2 columns to the new version along with a KC calibration

    • Dan W

      Dan W

      Well HIGGINS!!!! I want to thank you for information I was not aware of. I thought once the MIGRATE BUTTON is hit, you are stuck with MAJESTIC. I had not realized that there is flexibility here where one can reverse downgrade back to MOZ METRICS. I was too chicken to covert and migrate to MAJESTIC, that is until improvements become satisfactory. Thank you for information about downgrading back to MOZ. I will stick with MOZ I guess until perhaps things improve over time!!

  89. Freelance SEO

    Freelance SEO

    Very good article.
    Thank you very much for your clarification,
    greetings from Chile
    Andres

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