This 8 Letter Tweet Just Changed Search Forever

Welcome back to another episode of the Niche Pursuits News Podcast!

This week Spencer and Jared break down the latest news affecting SEOs and small publishers, they share their side hustle progress, and they talk about some weird niche sites for inspiration.

They kick things off with the big news that OpenAI acquired the domain Chat.com, which now directs to ChatGPT.

Spencer shared the story behind the story, sharing the short Tweet that may have changed everything and a second, more explanatory Tweet. 

What does this mean for the OpenAI experience? Do you agree with Jared’s speculation, or with Spencer’s theory about OpenAI’s decision to become a consumer product? 

And now that the OpenAI search engine is live, will it go head-to-head with Google? Is this the beginning of the end for Google Search? Will web creators be happy with the new experience, and how will they make money?

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Moving along, they talk about how Google’s AI Overviews is being rolled out to more than 100 countries, contrary to previous theories and despite documented issues.

What does Spencer think might be driving their decision? And how do AI Overviews impact publishers’ traffic?

They share an article by Marie Haynes that says traffic is down since the roll-out. Do you agree with Jared’s theory?  

And last but certainly not least, they discuss an article by Glenn Gabe that reveals that HCU-hit sites have seen a traffic recovery of around +20%. He’s been tracking 400+ sites for over a year and identified a partial recovery.

Spencer and Jared talk about the recent interview with Jake Cain and the Creator Summit at Google and how Google does seem to be interested in figuring out why truly helpful sites got hit.

As for the Shiny Object Shenanigans, Spencer goes first and talks about his Facebook page, for which earnings this month have exceeded last month’s: $3796.

With +80k followers, the original goal was to send traffic to his website. However, once it got approved in the Facebook Bonus Program, the goal became to keep people on Facebook. Spencer does just that, and every month he gets a check.

He shares his future plans for the page and answers Jared’s questions about the side hustle.

When it’s Jared’s turn, he talks about this Amazon Influencer side hustle, through which he earned $3350 in October. He shares his strategies around some recent videos he recorded and discusses some of his daily earnings numbers as he moves towards 4Q.

Check out the full episode for some serious side hustle inspiration!

In the last segment, Spencer shares a weird niche site, Electoral Vote Map. Interestingly, it was shared with him by Taegan Goddard, who was recently on the podcast talking about his political blog.

The map shows what would have happened if different states had voted differently and was likely visited heavily as the election drew to a close. Taegan also shared the numbers: during the last presidential campaign, the site made close to $30k, and this year it will earn more. It took him $3k to build the site a few years ago and he hasn’t really touched it since.

He and Jared talk about finding inspiration in this simple, clean site.

When it’s Jared’s turn, he shares the calculator website, Character Calculator, which calculates the length of paragraphs and documents. He points out some of the DR52 site’s cool features and reveals its traffic numbers: 658k visitors per month.

But, it’s not what it appears to be! Tune in to hear the real story behind the site’s traffic.

And that’s a wrap on this episode of the Niche Pursuits News Podcast.

Come back next week for all the latest news affecting SEO, Google, AI, and small publishers and your weekly dose of inspiration when it comes to side hustles and unique website ideas. 

Transcript

Spencer: Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of This Week in Niche Pursuits News and today we're going to talk about an eight letter tweet that may have just changed search forever. Welcome to chat. com. Is it the Google killer? Well, we're going to talk about that. Um, Sam Altman recently tweeted that they just acquired chat.

com for open AI. And we're going to go into what that means, how that potentially is going to change search, but we got several other new news items that we're going to cover here as well. Um, and then of course we have a couple of side hustle projects. Each of us are working on, um, I actually had a record month on my side hustle.

And so we're going to talk about what that is. And then we're going to bring it home with a couple of weird niche sites. And, um, yeah, one that's extremely timely now that the election has just completed here in the United States. Don't worry. We're not going to get too political here, but, uh, we do have a weird niche site that kind of fits into that realm.

But first of all, Jared, welcome. How are you doing?

Jared: Doing very well. It's good to have you back. It's good to be, um, you know, we say this every time you're on it, pick a good week, like a lot of fun topics. We're talking, uh, open AI. We're talking Google. We're talking helpful content update, a lot of stuff to get into.

Spencer: Yeah, there is just like so much news happening right now in the industry. It's ever changing. It's fast paced. So it's good to be on the show. I know I've got co hosts that are helping out. Um, but I'm back and excited to talk about what's happening now, as I teased here in the introduction, it looks like open AI has just acquired the domain name, chat.

com super short, super memorable. And if you go to that, it. Redirects to chat GPT. And so it looks like there are early plans to make this potentially the public facing domain of their brand. Yeah. Right. Um, make it a lot more memorable. It's short people know exactly what it is. Um, and, uh, the story behind this is a little bit interesting in terms of, Hey, you know, where did you get this domain?

And, uh, so let me just share, uh, my screen as we like to do here. This is just this, here's this. Eight character tweet, uh, from Sam Altman, chat. com. That's it. That's all he said. Chat. com 8. 2 million views, right? That'd be nice if you could have an eight character tweet and it went, uh, that sort of viral, if you will.

Um, but Dharmesh from HubSpot, the co founder of HubSpot, he actually shared a little bit of the backstory here. Uh, that he was the one that acquired chat. com for 15, roughly 15 million earlier in the year, is what he explains. So he's been the owner. Of that domain. Uh, but he knows Sam Altman, you know, I, I think personally, you know, they, they're a close, uh, business relationship at least.

And he explained that, uh, I don't know who reached out to who, but they came to a deal deal where Sam Altman acquired the domain from Dharmesh. Earlier this year or recently, they don't disclose the sum, but it's kind of just an interesting tweet to go through here and he says, Hey, if I were to prompt chat GPT to ask how much maybe chat dot com was sold for.

Here's some of the inputs that I might have. Right? Just explaining. Here's how much you bought it for. And that, uh, he doesn't really need the money, but he never sells things at a loss. And, uh, that he might be interested in open AI shares, right? So kind of, he's hitting at, Hey, this is probably part cash part, you know, share.

Uh, so he probably owns a little bit of open AI at this point and probably sold for value of roughly, you know, 15 to 16 million, maybe a little bit more. I don't know, but it doesn't sound like he made some sort of huge profit on it. Right. Do you ever get stuck in your business and wish you had someone you could turn to for solutions?

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Jared: First off, Dharmesh is, uh, is funny, like what a funny way to, what a quirky way, what a funny way to kind of talk about it. Um, it was endearing, I suppose is the best way to put it. I chuckled. I found it amazing. Um, I mean, but yeah, beyond the announcement, it's like, we can start to kind of think about what does that mean for the open AI experience?

Right. They've always said that they. Are more than just chat GPT. They want to bring AI to the forefront of the entire world's ecosystem. We have open AI's chat GPT, and then now we have search GPT. I can tell you, I've already stumbled multiple times and talking about the search function. Right. It's search GPT.

It's not chat GPT. Like does this now chat. com just become the hub for all things? Um, jeep, you know, open AI and their, their, their search and their chat GPT. I mean, it's interesting to think about what they're going to do as a consolidation. It, it, you know, I'll leave you with this last thing. Like it almost feels like a move like Google did when Google.

com became a very, and launched, it was a very simple search experience. Right. And they kind of decluttered what Yahoo and AOL and a lot of the others were doing, I don't know, almost in an ode to their biggest competitor. It feels like they're almost decluttering or simplifying the experience of where they're going.

Uh, it's, it's interesting.

Spencer: Yeah, it is really interesting because open AI has actually been around for several years, you know, before they launched chat GPT, right? And so to look at the evolution, I don't think open AI really knew where their long term vision was. They just knew that they wanted to develop AI tools, harness the power of AI.

They believe AI is the future, you know, going back 56 years, right? Um, and then they launched chat GPT, right? And it was like this really kind of nerdy, large language model thing. You had to go to. You know, I don't even think it was chad, gpt. com. It was openai. com slash whatever. Right. So it was kind of just this cool, like tool, like, Hey world, go check this thing out and it took off, you know, in a big way, um, but now it feels like they're thinking about, Hmm, instead of just appealing to the very techie side of the world.

This is like a consumer product. We need to think about branding. How are we going to present this? Two. You know, grandma and grandpa, the average users, you know, to teenagers, to everybody, a simple, memorable domain goes a long way. And so it feels like that's what they're thinking about is branding and business building and bringing in all customers.

So you can just go, Hey, if I want to learn something, just go to chat. com. It's going to be that easy. And all of a sudden you're using AI and it's not just AI, right? It is now something that feels very much head to head with Google. It's a search engine. It can access real time information. And that's a little bit what this article goes into that I'm sharing on the screen here.

That basically is just announcement that open AI search engine is now live. Um, and part of that. Is that it accesses real time information. Previously search GPT was limited to, I don't remember some date in 2023. Right. But now, um, it's, it's really like a search engine. It accesses the internet live and, um, can act as a search engine.

So. Is this the Google killer? Um, that's kind of the big question. They, it feels like going that direction where they're going head to head with the big gorilla of Google. They've got a search engine. They're becoming more consumer friendly with their domain. It's brandable and memorable. And now all that's left is kind of for the users to decide.

You know, where do you go to search? What do you think, Jared?

Jared: Well, no doubt as a user, currently the search GPT UI UX is, uh, ad free. Um, we, we don't think it's going to stay that way. Right. So I'm not, I'm not the jury's out on that, but I think that from an experience level, they just keep making improvements.

Notable improvements, marked leaps, things moving forward that are really, really big and, um, you know, we could debate it, but Google is either barely making very real improvements or sliding backwards. We'll talk about AI overviews today. And we have been talking about, some would argue that's an improvement, but this is a good experience.

And, um, uh, we covered last week or the week before how search GPT is much more traffic to. Publishers than anybody else. I do think that their use of citations and links is pretty prominent. Um, uh, uh, again, all things being equal, right. We're, we're having to live in this new AI world, but I mean, yeah, obviously.

All of that is one thing. Google's got such a headstart with over 90 percent market share, whatever they're going to do is going to take time. But yeah, I mean, we covered Spencer on a podcast a couple of months ago, like, you know, too big to fail. Uh, and, and, and I don't think Google can rely on them and rest in their laurels any longer with this type of technology improvements that are coming around everywhere, this being front and center right now.

Spencer: Yeah, it's sort of the story as old as time, at least as long as businesses has been around is that, uh, companies grow larger and larger and gain more and more market share and become very powerful and, uh, it can be difficult for them to shift strategies and change with, uh, either new technology or they don't always see the smaller players coming.

Right. And that appears to maybe be the case here is that open AI was one of these competitors that has come from out of left field and taken them a little bit by surprise. Uh, and so the fact that we're talking about it as, you know, sort of in the same breath as Google, like that is certainly signs that there's some chinks in the armor of Google here.

Um, there's a lot that could be said here about, um, Open AI launching search GPT, um, in terms of, you know, is, is, uh, our, our web creator is going to be happy with this experience. Um, in this article, it talks about how they've struck a deal with some large publishers and they name a few, um, if I can find that, um, Condé Nast, Hearst.

Axel Springer, News Corp, probably some others that they've developed media partnerships with. Um, because previously there had been, um, other AI search services, uh, that are facing lawsuits, including, you know, News Corp, New York Times, and others have sued. Perplexed perplexity for using sort of free writing off of the information that they published.

Right? And so this is going to be an ongoing sort of legal battle between, you know, how do publishers make money when I is just giving the answers. And right now, I am happy to say, and I'm looking over it. chat. com, uh, chat GPT here on my other screen that, uh, they do provide a lot of links.

Jared: Yeah.

Spencer: Uh, and so maybe that's enough to keep publishers happy.

That's sort of the model that Google has always implemented, uh, up until recently, which we can, of course, talk more about, but, um, yeah, that'll be interesting to see how that all plays out.

Jared: It's a good experience. Um, to your point, like it's a different experience. It's not your traditional Googling. We're at the forefront.

Those who listen to this podcast are at the forefront of these sort of technological advancements. Sometimes it's hard to. Work ourselves out of the little bubble we're in And realize that the rest of the world is not on a cutting edge of ai like a lot of us are um So, you know but it's a different experience and I find that the more people that kind of start using like a search gpt or chat gpt like A lot of them like it so we'll see I mean it's going to be a fascinating to have a have a front row seat for this, but Um, if you haven't used search gpt, uh, I believe it's only available to paid members right now.

Um, and it is You A button inside of chat GPT that you can toggle on and off is that globe icon and you can switch over to the search GPT functionality. Yeah,

Spencer: yeah, it'll be really interesting to kind of see what happens and it almost feels like Google is playing a little bit of catch up, um, along the way, but they've certainly been making big moves with AI overviews.

Um, over the last, gosh, how long has it been? About a year. Um, it feels like maybe not even quite that long. Um, since AI overviews started rolling out in some areas, you know, particularly in the U S um, it's been tested out a lot. Um, I see it all the time. Um, but, uh, it was recently announced that, um, AI overviews are being rolled out more globally.

Uh, in fact, uh, here's just an article with search engine land that Google has expanded AI overviews to over 100 countries. And it says the AI overviews will bring over 1 billion users and should work in any currently supported language. So this is big news. So Google is not rolling back AI overviews.

There was some hiccups along the way that we talked about very publicly. Here on the podcast, some hallucinations and other things. With bad AI overview answers. I don't know that all those issues are fixed, but clearly the leadership at Google feels strongly enough about the product that they are rolling it out to over 100 countries, uh, that's going to be, it looks like the default in wherever you are, um, they're going to try and provide an AI overview.

Jared: Well, we covered a story last week, I believe it was about how 43 percent of the financial, uh, results, uh, with AI overviews were wrong. So what better way to, uh, to fix it than to just roll this out to over a hundred countries as is. Just

Spencer: rip the bandaid off and let everybody have it. I know.

Jared: You can't beat him.

Join him. Um, this is a big deal, right? Like this is kind of. It is. This is kind of AI overviews fully flushed out. We remember going all the way back to SGE. Do you remember we were debating, uh, how they only were doing this beta in certain countries that was set to expire. We were theorizing, are they going to release it to other countries?

They never did, to my knowledge. Then they pulled the beta, uh, expiration date down. And so a lot of people have been, have not been able to experience this around the world, right? They didn't get SGE because it was a limited release to limited countries and then AI overviews came out. And that's been very limited as well.

So I think we're going to, the wheels are off now. You know, like we're going to kind of, the training wheels are off. We're going to kind of see what this looks like without those training wheels. That really haven't been helping very much anyways. Well, now they're off. There's so many problems. They ship this product with so many problems for the whole world.

And they took off the training wheels. And now we're just going to see if the wheels fall off the bus or what's going to happen.

Spencer: Yeah. Uh, it does make you wonder, you know, why they make some of these decisions. Cause clearly there have been issues. Yeah. You just pointed out all these, uh, factually incorrect things or bad financial advice, even, uh, that are still happening, but it almost makes you wonder if They're like, Hey, we've got a fast moving company, open AI on our tail.

We got to move just as quick. We got to prove that we are the forefront. We've got AI, we're rolling it out quick. We're a leader. We're not a follower. You know, you have to think that some of those conversations are happening over at Google. Uh, And so maybe that's why they are doing this so quickly. It feels like,

Jared: I mean, it matches up perfectly with the stuff that Jake shared in his interview this week on the podcast went live on Wednesday.

He was at Google's web web creator summit. And, you know, he talked about how someone, one of the attendees brought up. Hey, today, like literally as today, as we're all sitting here, your CEO went on an earnings call and talked nothing but AI yet. You as the head of search here are telling me that it's not about AI.

It's about publishers and independent voices. I, it feels like just like this, like, Google from the top wants to push AI. They want to push to their investors that they are all in on AI because this is the buzzword, this is the future. This is everything that we're putting ourselves behind. Meanwhile, everyone over in AI, over in search, everyone's going like this thing ain't working, you know, it's not working yet, but it feels to follow suit with a lot of what we've seen out of Google in the past couple of years where leadership says one thing and then the tech teams, the development teams, the teams on the ground are struggling with actually making it work.

Spencer: Yeah, no, it's a fascinating dynamic because it goes way beyond just technology at this point of, does Google have the tech to do AI? Sure. Uh, but should they, right. And, and what does it mean, uh, to independent publishers and people that are actually writing content? Are they still going to be able to get the same amount of traffic, make the same amount of money, et cetera.

All these other bigger questions that. Like you said, at the Web Creator Summit, part of that was meeting with these individuals to see how the search algorithm has impacted their websites and their livelihood and to talk through those issues. And then there's a whole other department, if you will, at Google, right?

Uh, that is making other decisions that. Maybe the engineers in the room, unfortunately, talking to the web creators. They just they don't have control over.

Jared: I don't know if you noticed, Spencer, in the craziest twist of irony ever that Google, I believe, if I have my dates correct, Google launched AI overview to the world at the same moment they were meeting with Google.

These 20 publishers that have gotten destroyed by. Incredibly ironic,

Spencer: isn't it? Very. It's, uh, a little bit crazy. Yeah. Not real comforting. No, we'll leave that one there. I suppose, but, um,

Jared: it just hit me this morning as I was reading this article, getting ready for the, uh, the podcast that I think the day.

Spot on the exact same.

Spencer: Wow. And so, um, yeah, how, how do AI overviews impact the traffic, um, to web publishers, we have a little bit of insight into that, but I think over the coming weeks and months, we're going to understand that a lot better. Um, but we do have one, uh, article here by, uh, Marie Haynes. She's got her newsletter here.

Um, we're basically. She says, and is there a date on this? Um, anyways, published this week. Um, the traffic is down as AI overviews launch globally. And so that's kind of the lead story that she leads with here in her newsletter. Um, starting, I think she said October 28th. Yep. And that's when the days.

Jared: Yeah.

Spencer: Yeah. So just in the last week or so, some people have noticed some declines that, um, potentially they are, can, they're, they're saying is probably because of the AI overviews, right? Um, they're looking at different countries and they can see when AI overviews were launched and they're saying, Hey, it looks like when, you know, for example, this screenshot is, and it doesn't get any bigger, but, uh, from India, you know, it looks like after October 28th.

Search referral traffic went down and probably that's because of AI overviews being rolled out, uh, to other countries. So that's an exercise, I guess, that everybody could go through. They can look at their Google search console, break it out by country and see if you actually notice a dip, um, around those dates.

And that'd be interesting to see. I'd be curious to hear from any listeners, uh, if they've noticed specifically that AI. Overviews have impacted their search traffic in that way.

Jared: And if you look back to your point, like you said, Hey, make sure you kind of isolate by countries, right? The rollout to the U S market, for example, where a lot of us get a lot of our traffic and even a lot of publishers worldwide get a lot of their traffic, but the rollout to the U S market was so slow in comparison, you know, this is a hundred over a hundred countries going live in one day, so.

We didn't kind of get this dramatic look into how it could affect traffic like we do here. And so it's interesting to see from a data standpoint, too. I don't want to over theorize, but you can almost start to make some connections to the actual impacts behind AI overviews due to the dramatic nature of this hitting the SERPs all in one day in some countries, rather than for us in the US, for example.

It was a very gradual rollout in comparison.

Spencer: Yeah, exactly. And then, um, yeah, there's some other interesting stories, uh, here that Marie Haines, uh, covers people can go to mariehaines. com and, uh, check that out if they'd like to, uh, but we'll end on the final sort of news story. Uh, if you will, here is that Glenn Gabe has been tracking like something like 400 websites hit by the helpful content updates since 2023.

So it's been a year and a couple of months at this point. And he's been tracking whether or not any of these sites have seen an increase in traffic or what the different Google updates, how they impact these individual sites. And for about a year, right. It's been like, well, no, no changes, no improvements.

Um, But in the August core update, we finally did start to see some sites that had their traffic hit so hard from the helpful content update, start to see some recovery. And, uh, in fact, in his report, he says 22 percent of sites hit by Google's helpful content update are up 20%. And to clarify, they are up 20 percent or more since August, the August core update.

So that does not mean that they're 20 percent higher than they used to be before the helpful content update. Unfortunately, that would be great, but. There is some, you know, partial recovery and here's some screenshots, you know, this kind of gives people an idea of like, okay, this site's way down. And then, um, it's all a little blip here up, you know, with the August core update, any movement up is good, you know, and then you look at some of these others, That see a bigger recovery, right?

I mean, this site is, um, it hasn't seen a full recovery, but a very significant recovery right from where it was in September. If you kind of come back here, still not quite there, but it's getting close. And then, uh, this 1 does not show. What the September 2023 traffic was, but you can see it went from getting, you know, about 20, 000 visitors a month to now it looks like about 80, 000 organic.

Uh, searches a month. So a huge, huge, um, impact from the August core update. And same with this last one here. Um, this actually it's traffic is significantly higher than it was in September, 2023. So this, um, That's pretty incredible. Right. Because in September, 2023, yeah, you know, the site was like, it's hard to see, but maybe 800, 000 organic visitors a month in September.

And now it's at like 2. 4 million. So it's actually like triple the traffic now compared to, uh, before the helpful content update. So that is rare. So apparently there are some sites that have seen a full recovery. Um, but with the August core update, they're, You know, 22 percent of the sites that he tracked.

Have seen an improvement. So that's sort of the good news that, you know, it's nice to have some silver lining, uh, to everything we're talking about.

Jared: And if I could bud in Spencer, uh, uh, um, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but we actually have an upcoming interview on the podcast with someone who's made a More than a full recovery from the HCU, and we are diving into an hour of exactly what they did to get that full recovery.

Awesome.

Spencer: That is awesome. I, I had heard, you know, I heard some whispers that that was going to happen. Uh, but that You're on the email actually, but Ha ha ha ha. You may have got the ball rolling, but um The more stories that we can get. So, Hey, we just shared your screenshot, this one, uh, down here and it's your website, you know, let us know.

We'd love to talk with you. Or if anybody else out there has seen a full recovery from the helpful constant update, those are the stories that we want to need to hear. That would be really excellent news. Agreed.

Jared: Agreed. Um, yeah, I mean, to your point, like. Good and bad, like good recovery. It does match up though.

I mean, anecdotally, I feel like Spencer with us covering the August core update every week. No, it was only coming out for a couple of weeks. Uh, it was out, sorry. It was, uh, you know, it took a couple weeks to roll out and then we had kind of the post mortem on it, the roll up on it. So we kind of covered it for about a month there.

I would say that this feels exactly like what we were seeing, like maybe one in four, one in five sites was seeing some recovery. And as I have continuously said, it's typically around the 15 to 20 percent mark. So it looks like I was undershooting it a bit. Um, I think maybe those sites maybe continue to gain a little bit following the end of the core update, which is not abnormal as the, the, uh, AH rest of the world continue to catch up with those improvements.

So that seems to pass the sniff test. You know, it seems that that data is pretty much accurate with some of the things we've been seeing out in the wild.

Spencer: Yeah. And maybe just my final comment on this, you know, as it relates to. Uh, we, you know, Jake Kane's interview on the podcast, it was the web creator summit.

And so I've been thinking about that a lot about, you know, the bloggers and the, the small publishers that met directly with the Google engineers. It does feel like from what Jake said and other people that were there, that these engineers and the people at Google generally really are trying to figure out why good sites got caught up in this algorithm.

They're trying to understand it better. Um, The algorithm is incredibly complex as we know with AI machine learning. All these other elements that are at play that it's really out of the control of any one engineer, or even team of engineers, they can't just tweak something because, well, honestly, they didn't create the whole thing.

The machine learning and the algorithm created a lot of it. And so likely will take a very long time to get some of these things adjusted. Um, I think August was an early attempt, but it could be multiple updates in the future. It could be many. Months in the future. And even then there's no guarantee that your site is going to be one of those that is considered a good site because it's just this very complex thing.

But that is one sliver of hope that it does appear that pretty much everybody that went to that web creator summit did feel like the engineers there were trying to understand what was going on. They did feel like there was a problem with some sites that got caught up in this update. And they do want to try and fix that.

It's just a very, very big problem.

Jared: You know, Spencer, I have pulled it up for, uh, right now. Uh, normally I don't, uh, check comments. Um, podcast hosts are notorious for not really checking comments. You can imagine why. But, um, I wanted to see how the, uh, episode with Jake went this week. It was a very good episode.

Very good interview. If you haven't listened to it, definitely recommend it. It's, it's doing very well in terms of the number, a number of listens it's got. But look at the comments. We've got a comment from, uh, from, from Danny at house fresh. He chimed in on it. We even got, I don't know if you saw this. We even got a comment from somebody who used to work in Google search.

I did see that actually. So anyways, a lot of people chiming in and talking about kind of some of the stuff that happened to that web creator summit. We got the inside track on it, but, um, uh, as it relates to the, the creator summit and the interview, like certainly it's best to take the long view with this.

You know, you, you don't want to be the one holding your breath and waiting for Google to fix this. I don't think many people are. But. If they do fix it, it would really be great because we've all focused on diversification and other traffic streams. And then to have some of that come back would just be a cherry on top.

And I think that that's the right perspective to look at. And this is from that vein, good news from that good news.

Spencer: A hundred percent agree. So yeah, I'd encourage people to check out that last podcast. If you're listening to this one, it's just the podcast previous, um, you know, last week or this week that, uh, was released.

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com and use coupon code podcast to get 15 off. Very good. Let's talk about our side hustles. We've got a couple of shiny object shenanigans, things that maybe aren't our main focus in our life here, but they're fun nonetheless. Um, they get us. You know, it's what we think about late at night and, um, help us dream a little bit of what could be, what's some little side hustle we could start, uh, and you know what?

I will go. I teased that my side hustle project earned more money last month than it has ever before. And that is the case. Um, it's the same project that I've been talking about. It feels like the last couple of times, at least that, you know, I've been on the show here is my Facebook page. So I have a Facebook page that is approved to the Facebook performance bonus program.

And I didn't check, but you know, the page has over 80, 000 followers at this point. Um, it's a year and a half old, I don't know, something like that. I can't remember exactly. I started it as summer, probably. You know, not this summer, but the summer before. And, um, you know, initially kind of the goal of the page was to send traffic to my website.

There is a website, you know, and it was doing okay. It was making a few bucks here and there, but then it got approved just a few months ago to the performance bonus program. And, uh, so I guess without, you know, adding any more suspense, um, my Facebook page made 3, 796. In the previous 30 days, it's almost 4, 000 just from.

The performance bonus program. And so here's just a screenshot, you know, of that. And, uh, the, the, the dates of the performance bonus program, they don't line up, you know, at the exact end of the month, you can see it ended November 3rd, 2024, so that was just a couple of days ago. It's whenever you were approved.

So if you're approved on the 7th of the month, your 30 day period will always be the 7th day of the month. I don't know why that's the way they do it. Um, So I can tell you that I earned about 3, 800 from October 4th to November 3rd, uh, essentially, right? Uh, and that's all from the performance bonus program.

So that is just keeping people on Facebook. They're just engaged with our page. The more comments, the more views, the more likes. The more money this page earns, I don't have to send them to my website. I'm not selling them any products. I'm not doing any sponsorships, nothing. It's just, you, you keep them on Mark Zuckerberg's platform.

And Mark sends me a check every month. Uh, that's pretty much the way it works. Um, and so what's really interesting is, uh, potentially interesting is I want to try and take this. To the next level, even further. And, uh, I have somebody helping me run this entire Facebook page. Uh, I, you know, don't put a lot of work into it other than strategy.

And, you know, a couple of times a month, I come up with a new idea and I shoot a video and say, Hey, we should try something like this. But for the most part, I've got somebody else running the whole thing and she loves it. She's really into this niche and she's just having a great time and she gets paid for it.

Um, But she brought up the idea. She's like, Hey, I've seen some other pages that have their email address here. And they're saying, if you want to sponsor your product on our page, you know, contact us. And, uh, I said, sure. If you want to try out, you know, allowing people to, you know, Pay to have a sponsored spot on our Facebook page, ship their products or whatever it is, let's try it.

And so we haven't done that yet. That was, that's literally this week, but we're turning that on. We're going to try and reach out to a few people, um, and see if we can get some sponsored spots on the Facebook page. You figure some months, this page has had as many as 10 million impressions. Um, that somebody has got to be willing to pay a couple of hundred bucks to have a, you know, a post.

Right on our Facebook page. So, um, we're going to try that out and, uh, I'll report back next time or let everybody know when we make our first few dollars from actual sponsored posts. So that's the next revenue stream. I

Jared: want to ask you quickly about the, the bonus revenue, the 3, 796. So I know they don't tell you RPMs, you know, or any, any number really like that.

But like, if you had to look at the increases it's had of late, is it And this is a question I've had for other people in the bonus program. So that's why I'm asking you, is it more related to an increase in traffic, an increase in engagement, an increase in impressions, these sorts of things, or is there some sort of, you know, seasonality or a higher payout per visitor per month?

Maybe during Q4 or during the election or during like certain times of year, like we see with advertisers, right? Q4 pays better for the same amount of traffic than say Q1, although niche dependent. And so I'm just curious, like, is there any of that happening or is it pretty much you're getting paid whatever it is per thousand people, no matter, you know, what time of year, what time of season?

Spencer: That's a really good question. I don't know. I'm not prepared with that data, but I do have a gut feel. And so we'll just go on gut feel on this, what I've sort of sensed and remember, you know, because I have looked at the data, but again, didn't compare it specifically, but, um, the previous month previous to this, uh, I earned, I want to say it was 3, 400, I think it was 3, 400.

Um, and so about 400 more this month. And I do feel like this month, the traffic or the impressions was a little lower. The engagement I felt like was a little bit lower. Okay. So I do feel like the quote unquote RPMs

Jared: were

Spencer: higher this month.

Jared: Yeah, yeah. That would trend with Q4, trend with the election, trend with so many other data points we know about, you know, when people, Pay more to have their, well, their eyeballs, I guess.

Yeah. Oh, you know, I don't, I was going to say pay to put their brand there, but that's not what Facebook's doing in this case, they're just paying to keep people on the platform. That's right. And,

Spencer: um, I do get the sense that that is going to be the case, but now that you've said that I'm going to, I'm going to gather some real data on that because I do feel like the first few days, right, since November 3rd, I'm looking at my earnings now.

It feels like. The, the earnings per impression, maybe it's a little bit higher when I think about that again, gut feel for now. So, um, I'll, I'll get back with some hard data

Jared: on that. Would love to see it. Congratulations. I mean, yeah, thank you. Yeah. I mean, even going back to the podcast interview that, that we, we did with Jake earlier this week, like he talked about the Facebook bonus program and he actually presented that to Google.

He said, you know, uh, for solutions to the HCU, they're like, what would you, man. That's a whole different story altogether. But standpoint, uh, the engineer said, what would you do to fix this? Uh, he, apparently we have no freaking clue what to do. So, um, but Jake was like, what about something like the bonus program?

You want to keep people on Google. You make all your money when people are Googling things. What about encouraging creators to create content that keeps people on Google? That's a win win for everyone. He used this model because it's just, you feel, it sounds like so rewarded as a publisher for not sending traffic to your website.

You're perfectly okay with it. It is basically what you're saying.

Spencer: Yeah, pretty much, you know, exactly. Um, it's, it's a really interesting solution. Again, it's a side hustle, right? I am very well of the platform risk that Facebook presents. They can decide to no longer do this program. They can, um, cut my payouts dramatically and I'm like, well, okay.

You know, I, I can't, you know, I, so I I'm at Facebook's mercy. But it's a really fine, fun side hustle while it lasts, right? Kind of make, make hay while the sun shines sort of deal year. Amen. We'll, we'll make some money. Uh, while, while I can't

Jared: good, good, very good. Well, you and I, uh, you're, you're sharing a number in the three thousands.

I'm about to share a number in the three thousands as well.

Spencer: All right. Trying to,

Jared: from, uh, I have felt like the side hustles I've been sharing of late have not had quite the liftoff of some of my other, uh, Previous side hustles. So, you know, we'll go back to a, an old standby for me. Um, the Amazon influencer program, you know, we're recording here in the first couple of days of the month.

So that means we have October's numbers and it's just going back to Q4 is on the mind, right? Like it's Q4, we're gearing up for those, um, for that, that, that really good time to be on Amazon influencer program. So I thought I'd get a, give an update there. Um, October earned roughly. Uh, 3, 350. And so, yeah, still in the kind of three to 4, 000 range, which is where I've been hanging out all year.

Um, uh, you could argue, why isn't it going up? Um, I would say, well, probably because I'm doing the bare minimum in terms of number of videos I'm uploading. Um, I have about one product this year with Amazon influencer in mind, just reviewing the stuff in my house. Um, that did change this week though. I was on a, uh, a business trip earlier in the week, got back, uh, a day or two ago, and for this one, didn't stay in a hotel, stayed in Airbnb.

And so, you know what that means, right?

Spencer: That's

Jared: right.

Spencer: Lots of videos.

Jared: Yep. So I ended up not lots. It was a busy trip. I got eight recorded though, but when you only have time, when you only have like an hour, you can really sharpshoot what you're going to, what you're going to video. So there was like a 700 pool table that is actually sold on Amazon.

It's kind of like a mini pool table, I guess. Not a full size one. So I reviewed that. Um, there was a bunch of really nice products. I also zeroed in a couple of products that I know last year in November. I also was in an Airbnb and I also filmed products. And one of those kitchen products went on to be my best seller for that kind of holiday season.

I ended up making over a thousand dollars, I think over 1, 500 off that one single product. Um, anyway, so yeah. Um, and you know, I also, I have been seeing an uptick in the, uh, the, the purchases, my, the commissions, the earnings, um, October last year in 2023 was, was a little slow and you and I were talking about how it was, you Not exciting.

We were questioning what Q4 would look like, right? Cause October technically is Q4, but November and December more than made up for that as it turns out. And October this year was the same thing, like kind of slow. Um, not great this year though. I had a little bit of a more positive attitude about it being better come November.

And sure enough, I mean, we're here recording on the 7th of November. The last three days have been 112 in earnings. 141 in earnings and 224 in earnings. Whoa, that's

Spencer: a big day.

Jared: So, starting to get towards black Friday. I think black Friday is what three weeks from the day this podcast is released. And yeah, so we're inching closer this year to that.

And, uh, I joined the niche pursuits community last Friday on a call for the community members. And we spent a lot of time just to kind of talk with each other about like, stay motivated. Get those videos out, even though you're not seeing it maybe right now, like you got a couple more weeks left to crank some videos out and get them and hopefully get them in carousels for that crazy period, which is where, um, a lot of those earnings come through.

So, um, yeah, October was okay. I mean, I guess three 3350 is okay now, you know, I'll take that. Okay. If that's okay, but really excited. Some of the early numbers for, you know, the upcoming sales season.

Spencer: Yeah, that's really good. I'll be interested to hear what you do, of course, over the Christmas, uh, you know, season.

I'm trying to remember, um, I think it was in the 4, 000 range that you did last, like, December? Yeah, 4,

Jared: 000, 4, 000 ish, like 4, 200 November, 4, 200 December, basically. It, it, the, the, all the sales tend to happen at the end of November and the beginning of December. Right. Because, you know, everyone really starts buying once black Friday kicks in cyber Monday.

And then we noticed last year, the buying stopped. Uh, when that banner started going across, can't guarantee this product will be here by Christmas.

Spencer: That's right.

Jared: Remember? So anyways, my point by saying that is there was a 30 day stretch where my 30 day average, my third, my last 30 days was like 6, 500 to put in perspective what's happening, you know, but it splits between two months basically.

So you get two really good months, but a 30 day period, a 30 day run is like really high.

Spencer: Yeah. Oh, um, I'll have to share my numbers as well when we record in December or something, um, or, you know, towards the end of the year to kind of compare, um, just to see how we compared to last Christmas, both of us have put in a lot less work on the Amazon influencer program than we did previously.

I even less than you, um, You know, without hardly any new videos at all since the beginning of the year. Uh, so we'll, we'll share all those numbers. So stick around. If you're listening to the podcast, we won't leave you hanging. Uh, we'll, we'll be sure to share those numbers right here on the podcast.

Perfect. Very good. Well, this brings us to our last segment of the show, our weird niche sites. Uh, and so I have a weird niche site that was referred to me by a reader. And this kind of is just a very short, interesting story because a reader reached out somebody that listens to the podcast and he said, Hey, I've got a couple of weird niche sites.

Are you willing to share these? And, uh, then I saw the email address he was emailing from, and it was a domain name that I thought I had heard of. And so I looked it up. I was like, wait a second, this email domain that you're emailing from gets like, it looks like millions of visitors a month. It's like, why don't you come talk to us on the actual podcast?

Be a guest. And tell your story. And he said, yes. And that show was published with Teagan Goddard of political wire. com just about a week ago. And so people can go listen to that interview that Jared did with Teagan political wire. Uh, how much traffic was Teagan saying political wire. com gets at its peak.

It was like 8 million. Yeah, like it goes 8 to 10 million or something. Yeah, 8 to

Jared: 10 million. He was anticipating during this month of the election cycle. And I will say that after doing the interview, I became a fan. I was on political wire for the election period using that as my news source. I was watching.

Your go to news source. That was my go to news source after talking with Tegan for an hour.

Spencer: It just blew my mind that he is publishing 25 to 30 articles a day. To

Jared: be fair, they're not long.

Spencer: But they're all,

it's, it's amazing. So to come full circle, I am finally going to share his original weird niche site suggestion. Um, and so we can thank him for this, you know, weird niche site that I'm going to share here. And as you might suspect, I thought, you know, it's election season here in the U S a new U president was just elected.

This website is electoral vote map. com. It's very, very simple. It's basically, you can come in here and you can see, you know, how the votes all laid out and you can click on different, you know, states to see, well, what would have happened if Colorado went red or what would have happened if, you know, Utah.

Went blue, right? And uh, people all day long, I assume were coming to this website throughout the election season and we're checking the current map, what was projected to happen on the map. And they're saying, oh, Georgia's a swing state. What would happen? You know, if that went here and you can see the change, uh, you know, that would've changed it to 2 79 to 2 42, whatever it was.

Right? That's pretty much, I mean, that's pretty much the site. There's a few other things on here. Um. Okay. You can look at historical results. You can look at some explainers, right? So there is. Information related to the electoral college and maps and his historical election results. Right? But for the most part, people are just coming here.

They're clicking the map. They're seeing what the current results are. Right? So, because I had the inside scoop, Jared, I went ahead and, um, I, I went ahead and emailed Tegan and I said, hey, Are you willing to share, like, how much money this website's making? And he said, sure. And, uh, so I can tell you that last, uh, what did he say?

Last, um, last year it made something, or last election season, I think is how he phrased it. Last, uh, presidential campaign in 2020, it made about 30, 000. No. And this year, it's set to do a little bit more than that. 30, 000. Yes. Yes. So now, of course, in all the other years, he didn't say, but I suspected it doesn't make nearly as much.

Right. But he's going to make 30, 000 off of this website, probably mostly all in October, November. Right? Like leading up to the actual presidential election is where the bulk of that money is going to be made. And he did share that it only cost him 3, 000 to build this website, some pre labs developers.

Some freelance writers and that's it. And he essentially has not touched it since. And that's it.

Jared: It's really fascinating because you feel like, well, I was going to say this until you showed the dropdown menus. He does have historical results, which could rank in SERPs and get traffic. He does have explainers, which are articles.

So those could get traffic until you drop that down. I was like, does this site just basically get traffic one day a year, one day, every four years. Sorry. And then like, that's that. I mean, it's monetized. It looks like media vine here. Um, so it's got to get enough traffic to qualify for media vine. He I know he has his other site on Mediavine and stuff.

So maybe he was able to, to get this in even though the traffic seeing swings with seasonality and stuff. But, um, I mean, to your point, like if you're listening, it's a really well done site, like it looks really nice. It's just a very clean, well done site.

Spencer: Yeah, and, uh, you know, he has some referral traffic probably coming over.

People subscribe to his newsletter over a political wire, right? And so he is, you know, mentioning his main website, probably get some traffic there. And I'm sure he refers traffic from political wire to electoral vote map dot com, uh, as well. Um, but this is just, yeah, it's like kind of a side hustle for him.

Just a weird niche site, if you will. It brings in, you know, Up to 30, 000 or more during election season. So kind of cool. Um, again, these, these little tools, you know, this one's a map, but just these little simple utility of websites that you can just come and use for one thing or for a season or whatever, like that's gotta spark some ideas for other people out there, whatever it may be.

Jared: And to your point, I would be so curious and I don't even know if we can figure this out, but I'd be so curious because we know political wire is in some ways working with this site, but that also gives people hopefully ideas. Like, if you have a website or a brand. That is driving a lot. Like how can you maybe create a little spinoff or a sub of it?

Because you can use that big brand to help that little site along. So instead of maybe your next project being something totally unrelated, maybe you follow a model like this. Like what's a little sub of my brand that I can use to create a whole different traffic source, a whole different set of income, a whole different monetization.

But it's so closely tied to my main site that I can use that to really kind of substantiate it.

Spencer: Yeah, it's still sort of on brand, you know, in your umbrella of what your company does and, uh, you can use it, maybe make a little extra money.

Jared: Really great. I love it. And, uh, that was also, we've had a couple really good interviews.

That was such a good interview. Um, so good

Spencer: interview.

Jared: So curious to just hear like, man, talk about someone who did it the exact opposite way. From the masses.

Spencer: Yeah, good stuff. Worth worth listening to for sure.

Jared: Well, my weird niche is, um, a, a, a tried and true category that we love to feature here. It is a calculator website.

Um, I mean, months don't go by on this podcast. We don't feature some sort of calculator, um, conversion, you know, some sort of tool. These tool sites just continue to show up. Um, and so the website is character. Calculator. com. So, um, I thought when I first saw this that somehow it was going to be a calculator about your character as a person and an individual.

And so I have to admit, I was really intrigued. Like, ooh, someone figured out a way to like, calculate. Like, maybe do we get scores? Like, can we enter in how many good deeds we've done this week and we get a score of how good our character is? So Well, there's your next idea,

Spencer: of course. Yeah, I was going to say, maybe I should

Jared: make that.

That should be my weird niche sometimes. Yeah. To make some sort of calculator tool. It got me going. It's suffice to say, it's not that it's a character counter, right? As in characters of words, paragraphs, et cetera. Now I'll admit that I'm, I'm, I'm looking at this. Um, and it's a very valuable tool. And the reason for me is I always end up having to go to like Google docs or word, and then you have to like highlight the section and you have to go up and drop down and hit word count to kind of get that information.

And why does it matter? Well, because so many different things have limits. Um, and so if you scroll down, uh, the, the homepage there at Spencer, you'll see that they actually talk about this. Um, I found this a little bit amusing. Um, uh, you know, if you keep going down, it tells you at some point, there we go.

Maximum characters allowed, you know, like, uh, X or Twitter, that's kind of a famous one, right? You get 280 characters for normal users. Um, you know, YouTube title, uh, obviously for SEO, we have some stuff. Ironically, I don't put that in there. And then of course, Spencer. Top of the list right there. Why would you not need to know that Facebook statuses are limited to 63, 206 characters in case you were wondering, I have not hit that limit yet.

Neither have I, they have not told me I can't put any more texts there. Um, but you know, it's very simple. Like we talked about, um, most of these calculator sites are, you know, they just basically give you basic character count, word count, um, those kinds of things, it is monetized. It is fairly prominent sidebars, both sides, video ads, both sides, footer ad.

Um, and, uh, you know, how much are they making? Uh, don't really know, but we can go over to age refs and we can, um, kind of take a look, I think there's some interesting things here. So if we go over to age refs and we take a look, um, you can see that the site is, I'd say, you know, pretty good. It's a dr 52, um, getting, um, 658, 000.

Estimated organic traffic.

Spencer: Whoa.

Jared: Look at that.

Spencer: Wow. Look at that chart too. It's just done really well over the last year. Okay.

Jared: I'm glad you pointed that out, Spencer. You walked right into my trap. So well done. Uh oh. Uh oh. Well, I only say it cause I fell victim to the same thing. Um, so go over to the top pages there because you're right.

The organic traffic chart looks really, really good. And so if you go over to the top pages on a traps, you can see the same. Uh, it's on orange on the screen there. That's the organic traffic and look, it's grown really well. Hasn't it? I mean, survived every update as a matter of fact, it's this summer. It really spiked, right?

Spencer: Yes.

Jared: Okay. Now go up to that all locations tab up there by the top pages and drop down and look at only us traffic. Um, right. Nope. Left. There you go. Right there. Drop that down and isolate just to the U S. And, uh, you'll see a very different story. Whoa. What happened in the U S so this, all of a sudden, this beautiful looking graph turns into this spiky mess through 2023.

And honestly, very much down in 2024, although flat since that March core update.

Spencer: Yeah. Interesting. Wow. So where's all the trap? What country is getting all the traffic?

Jared: Yeah. So it's interesting. The reason I even saw this is because if you go back to the global view with all locations and you scroll down on the top pages, you'll see that a lot of the top pages.

Um, are, are from different countries, you know, they have different countries in front of them. And so that's what prompted me to kind of start looking around there and say like, Oh, where is this site getting all this traffic? And, you know, that does dictate how much ad revenue you get and, and all this kind of stuff.

It's very interesting though, to see that this. It's interesting to see that they're getting so much organic traffic because they've put this in so many different countries. That's why they're getting so much traffic. And so again, just in terms of weird niches, you look at that 658, 000 organic traffic, then we're like, that's huge.

How are they doing that? Well, they're doing it. Cause they're really ranking in almost every country in the world.

Spencer: Yeah, that is, um, interesting. Yeah. So if I click on, I don't even know what language this is. I just clicked on the top one, right? It's clearly in. Whatever language this is.

Jared: You're about to say clearly in the language.

I'm like, wow, Spencer, well done. I don't know what language that is.

Spencer: Yeah, if I were to guess something Middle East somewhere? That would be my guess, yeah. Who knows? I'm probably going to get in trouble. So I'll just stop there. They clearly have translated it, you know, into, well, there you go. You've got a drop down menu.

Oh, it looks like Turkish Turkey. So I was close. I was on the right track there. There you go. But yeah, you can do Espanol. Um, we'll just go back to English. This is the

Jared: font one, isn't it? Font. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's worth noting. That this is the classic case of, Ooh, we built one that's called character calculator.

com. And we had so much success. What if we just added more to this strong domain? And so the font changer has nothing to do with characters, but it's on character calculator. com.

Spencer: Yeah. And well, it's clearly getting some traffic as well.

Jared: Actually, that's pretty cool. Look at that Spencer. You can just,

Spencer: yeah, I got kind of copy

Jared: and it'll give you that new font.

Ooh, I like that one right there. Hello, niche pursuits. Look at that. All the craziness. Wow. This is good stuff. Hours of fun. Well, I have to give a little shout out. Um, you know, we get tipped off on a lot of these and, and Spencer and I are so, both so disorganized, we never know who told us by the time we actually get to the podcast, but I've been getting so many from one person and so many good ones, folks.

A lot of your favorites. The checkbox site, for example, it came from the same person. So I got to give her a shout out and say thank you to, uh, to, to, uh, to Suzanne Jackson, who, um, continually, who keeps me pretty well stocked and no Spencer don't start going after and ask her to share with you now, I can

Spencer: find her.

Jared: I just, I mean, that source is, uh, I I'm very appreciative of it. So, but anyways, thank you, Suzanne. Another great site. She, she keeps finding these really good weird niche sites and she'll send, I don't know, all of them or some more to me, but anyways, I wanted to give her a thank you.

Spencer: No, that's good. And, uh, that makes sense.

That, that is, uh, welcome. You know, you're welcome to do that. It's, uh, it is a very hard job. Especially when you're on it every week like you, Jared. Uh, you know, I just swoop in here now about once a month and have a weird niche site. But, every single week, it, you know, it becomes a task to come up with these weird niche sites.

There's a lot of good ones. I mean, here we are, like, How many year and a half in whatever it is, um, I mean, we're doing these weird sites, we're approaching two years now approaching two years. Every single week, we got to come up with one of these things and, uh, they're still out there. Uh, and so I know there's listeners out there that have created some of these.

So feel free to share your weird niche site if you want a little bit of airtime right here on the podcast. So

Jared: Well, Spencer, I only missed one news podcast last year, and I was wondering if I'd make it through all of 2024 without missing one. And, um, I think I've gotten this far, but I, I have, I do have one I'm missing coming up soon, so you'll get a chance to swoop in and, you know.

Spencer: I'll fill in and, um, you know, if you happen to have a weird niche site that week, Jared, just, you know, flip it my way and I'll take care of it. You're doing

Jared: double duty this month. Fill it in for me while I'm on vacation.

Spencer: That'll be good. So thank you everybody so much for listening, uh, to today's episode and, uh, be sure to hit that subscribe button and, uh, keep following us along for more.

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