Podcast 30: SEO and Niche Site Mistakes to Avoid with Perrin as Co-host

By Spencer Haws |

Episode 30 of the Niche Pursuits Podcast is now live on iTunes!

In this episode, Perrin and I site down and discuss in detail my last blog post: 9 Common Mistakes to Avoid for SEO and Niche Sites.

We don't simply cover the blog post word for word, but we add some more in-depth discussion and even highlight some of the great points brought up in the comments.ย  And of course, you can enjoy some cheesy music along the way…

If you enjoy the podcast and have a spare minute to leave a rating and review on iTunes, please do so here.ย  Thanks for the support!

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By Spencer Haws

Spencer Haws is the founder of After getting a degree in Business Finance from BYU (2002) and an MBA from ASU (2007) he worked for 8 years in Business Banking and Finance at both Merril Lynch and Wells Fargo Bank.

While consulting with other small business owners as a business banker, Spencer finally had the desire to start his own business. He successfully built a portfolio of niche sites using SEO and online marketing that allowed him to quit his job in 2011. Since then he's been involved in dozens of online business ventures including: creating and exiting Long Tail Pro, running an Amazon FBA business for over 3 years and selling that business, founding, and co-founding You can learn more about Spencer here.

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This intro music is the same as intro to “Minimalism for the Rest of Us”. I was really confused for a second there and I thought iTunes was playing the wrong podcast!

Anyway, great show guys!

Spencer Haws

Awe..interesting. Its just a royalty free song; so must have just happened to stumble on the same one…

Maxime Sincerny

Thanks I stopped reading your blog, because I didn’t have enough time, but now I can listen to them while I am in the car or walk the dog.

Spencer Haws

Glad you can squeeze in the podcasts while you work on other things!


I’m really looking forward to listening to this episode on my commute home tonight.

I just recently launched my first niche site, and have a question which I haven’t seen directly addressed. Regarding affiliate links (such as Amazon and share-a-sale links, etc) — is it important to mark those links within a blog post as “no-follow?” My HTML chops aren’t all that great, and I’m wondering if there is an easy way to do this (if important for SEO purposes?

Appreciate any feedback on this front. Really enjoying all the content via Niche Pursuits blog, podcast and community.

Spencer Haws

Its not a big deal whether they are follow or no-follow.


Great Podcast! Spencer, I just built an adsense niche website last week and I been checking out your blog and confused (newbie) of what links do you recommend me build to it first for a low comp. keyword. Also, should I use these links to my homepage first or inner pages when the website is new.

Thank you:)

Spencer Haws

Blog comments or reaching out to other bloggers can be a good way to establish a few links. Some to homepage and some to inner pages…

Tung Tran

Just listened to this ep yesterday… great podcast Spencer and Perrin

Spencer Haws

Thanks Tung!

Crystal Foth

Hey Spencer and Perrin!! Great episode. I saw the most recent blog post the other day and haven’t had time to read it. I really enjoyed listening to this discussion in the car today. Thank for sharing the content in both platforms!! Glad for the increased frequency of podcasts and enjoyed hearing you both! Looking forward to more.

Spencer Haws

Thanks Crystal!


Great episod spencer the web really changed now if you don’t have patiance you won’t go far in niche websites creation i have started by building 10 sites and finished by just focusing on 1 because it was a lot for me and im just one person.


Hi Perrin and Spencer, Would you tell me please what are you tips for decreasing bounce rate ?

Thank you , It was such a nice podcast . I really appreciate It.

Spencer Haws

Higher quality content.


Hi Spencer,

Just listened to this podcast and had a questions about backlinks. Is it still ok to build backlinks to buffer sites like Tumblr,, etc. Does this still work and can they be of lesser quality since they don’t link directly to your main site?


Spencer Haws

I don’t build these kind of links anymore.

Alistair Cochrane

Great show ) For anyone that has been making all these mistakes I want to say it’s not all wasted effort. While you’ve been getting your ass kicked you’ve been investing is loss.

You’ve been learning what doesn’t work (the hard way) and your breakthrough might be right around the corner. Keep going )


Spencer and Perrin, be careful not to write a blog post to review the podcast or you’ll get caught in an infinite loop ๐Ÿ˜‰

Alistair Cochrane

investing *in loss



“Spencer and Perrin, be careful not to write a blog post to review the podcast or youโ€™ll get caught in an infinite loop ;):

Ha! Nice one ๐Ÿ™‚

Spencer Haws


Eduardo Suzuki

I just left you a review at Itunes. I just want to thank you for these great podcast. Cheers

Spencer Haws

Thank you Eduardo!


Hi Spencer,

I have been following niche pursuits for quite some time and you have inspired me to start my own niche websites. Thank you for your hardwork and I look forward to more of your great articles.



Thanks so much for this podcast (and post)! I have had success with a couple of my sites, and thought I would be ballin’ by now, but my newer sites are taking “forever” to rank in the SERPS. I thought I must be screwing it up until I heard you say that the same thing is happening to you.

Good to know I’m not alone. I’ll be a little more patient and a little more productive in the meantime!

Thanks for all the great content guys ๐Ÿ™‚ The journey I’ve followed you on has truly changed my life.


Great stuff as always guys.

Any plans for an update on apennyshaved? I’m curious to see how things are going for Perrin.


Spencer Haws

The site is doing very well (still growing). But we are no longer doing public updates. This was the last one:


I think spammy link building is the hardest one for some people to resist.
Also, the 1% keyword optimization maybe difficult for some. Do you think that using SEO plugins is actually hurting your site or over optimize your site? Especially, since these plugins are actually encouraging keywords in titles, tags, etc.


Listening while making a niche site. Good stuff

Lisa Smith

Thanks spencer for sharing the podcast, now we can get your ideas while driving or doing something else when canโ€™t read article. The days have gone when backliks from directory and bookmarking was the major weapons to boost the site in few months. It is time to spread the quality content over internet on regular basis to alive the site and to attract the new and old visitors.


Hi Spencer and Perrin,

Great podcast. I felt relieve that you said patience is needed to rank your keywords to first page of google.

My sites been hanging in there at bottom of page one or two, so i guess i need to be patience and keep building the high pbn links slowly.

Thanks for the info.


Solid podcast fellas.

Rayzel Lam

I’m glad you talked specifically about what is now considered spammy seo – I’m so sad because my “baby” site- the one that is kind of like my life’s work, now has such a spammy history for seo that I think it’s possibly unrecoverable – sadly I came into this and outsourced SEO right at the time when those things were still working, but of course now they’re not and I got hit by penguin pretty hard TWICE. My site still is going and still gets traffic and has a community, but my reach could be SO much greater if I didn’t have this seo history on my site. Still trying to figure out if I can erase my site’s past.


Hello spencer,

i have a problem, witch consist of blog commenting link. Like mentioned in your guide for niche sites, i started to build base links one of theose links is a comment on a blog witch is uses recent comment in the sidebar, and now i start getting many links 296links in under two day, but i don’t use the exact match anchor in my link. What do you thing i do to solve this problem ?

Spencer Haws

I don’t think its a problem personally.


I don’t know, i afraid if it’s a problem or it is a google dance.
because i’m start balancing between 50 and 500+, and after i started getting a lot of links from the blog where i have put a comment, i’m now in 500+.


Thanks Now I can listen to them while I am in the car.

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