A Major Step Forward in My Business: Hiring a Full-time Employee!

By Spencer Haws |

So, over the past few years, I’ve been sharing my story as an entrepreneur.  I’ve shared my processes and success building niche sites.  I’ve shared my success building a software business.  And I’ve shared much more along the way.

And today, I’m excited to share that I have hired a full-time employee that starts on Monday!

This is a huge step forward in my business, and I see it as a way to grow my business in ways that I couldn’t do on my own.

Now, you may be wondering what the big deal about hiring a full-time employee is, so let me share my perspective and just a little bit more about my own business.

People I Currently Employ

I have hired many people in the past, but most of these have been by the job or part-time gigs.  Here’s a quick look at the individuals that I currently employ:

So, I typically have 3 or 4 employees that I am working with on an ongoing basis.

What’s Different About This Hire?

So, you might ask, “What’s the big deal about hiring a full-time employee then?”  Well let me tell you what is different about this new hire.

Rather than just an “outsourced” virtual assistant, I’ve hired someone based in the US and well educated for the first time.  I will also be paying this employee MUCH more than I’ve ever paid a virtual assistant in the Philippines.  (Okay, yes, my lead developer for Long Tail Pro is US based and I pay him very well…but he’s not full-time).

In a nutshell, this is the first time I truly feel like I will be able to hand off a section of my business and feel confident that its going to be done right.

The reason that I am confident that I’ve actually found someone that won’t require constant oversight and will actually be proactive, is because I have worked with this individual in the past on other projects.  There’s nothing quite like seeing how someone will work, than actually working with them!

This is also a big deal, because its the first time I’ve ever gotten someone to quit their job to come and work for me.  Yep, I convinced my new employee to quit their job and come help me grow my business…how cool is that!

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Although, I’ll be honest, it didn’t take much convincing…who wants to work in some corporate environment in a boring job anyway? 🙂

What Will My New Employee Be Doing?

So, overall, my new employee will be a manager over my niche website business and other website projects I’m working on.  In addition, we will be brainstorming other entrepreneurial ideas together and then tackling the ones that we think are the most feasible.

In a way, it will be a way for me to take a thousand thoughts that I have in my brain, and essentially hand these off to someone else.  Its going to relieve the time associated with me attempting to work on these projects as well as the mind-share associated with them.

Over the past few months, my niche site portfolio has remained somewhat stagnant.  I haven’t had the time to build out new sites and work on my existing ones as much as I would have liked to.  However, now I will have someone that knows what they are doing to organize and manage my niche site business full-time (in addition to other projects we decide to pursue).

Overall, I’m excited to have my first real full-time employee working for me!

Hopefully with some of the time I’ll be saving, I’ll be able to post most great in-depth content here at!

Your Thoughts

Overall, I know this is a bit of a selfish post, there’s not a lot of actionable items that you can take and apply to your own business.  However, its now a part of the story, and I wanted to keep you in the loop!

In addition, perhaps some of you will find it motivational to go out there, be an entrepreneur, quit your job, and start hiring some of your employees!

I would love to hear any comments, questions, or thoughts that you have; I look forward to the discussion!

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By Spencer Haws

Spencer Haws is the founder of After getting a degree in Business Finance from BYU (2002) and an MBA from ASU (2007) he worked for 8 years in Business Banking and Finance at both Merril Lynch and Wells Fargo Bank.

While consulting with other small business owners as a business banker, Spencer finally had the desire to start his own business. He successfully built a portfolio of niche sites using SEO and online marketing that allowed him to quit his job in 2011. Since then he's been involved in dozens of online business ventures including: creating and exiting Long Tail Pro, running an Amazon FBA business for over 3 years and selling that business, founding, and co-founding You can learn more about Spencer here.

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Nice, Spencer. Can you disclose his salary? 🙂

Spencer Haws

I’m not comfortable revealing the salary, but its above average for the US.


My guess is Perrin…? 🙂

Spencer Haws

Ha! Perrin would be good 🙂


Awesome and congratulations, Spencer. I agree with Ian, sounds like Perrin :p

Taiwo The Knife holder

Hi thanks for the easyazon promo i highly appreciate


Can you disclose YOUR turnover from all your niche sites? 😛


Great work Spencer! It is a “FUN” leap going from entrepreneur to business. I am confident all will go well with the new employee

Spencer Haws

Thanks Jon…should be fun indeed!

Joe Big Time

In house or remote?

Spencer Haws


Dan Thompson

Right on! It is a big step, and it’s an awesome step. I hope it works out well for both you and the employee.

Spencer Haws

Thanks Dan!


Way to go Spencer. You’ll have to share with us employee management processes and procedures in future posts..would be very interested in that.

Spencer Haws

Good to know others are interested in that…will do!

Glenys @ Website Tips 4U

Sounds like a great move Spencer. Not only will it free up your time to work on priority projects but it will no doubt provide new data for future posts.

Spencer Haws

Great point Glenys! I most certainly think it will.

Nick LeRoy

Hey Spencer. Congrats on the milestone. Open to mentioning if its a base salary or lower salary + x % of niche site generated income? Would think the second payment would add extra incentive and win/win proposition.

Spencer Haws

That is yet to be discussed. However, I do plan to do just what you suggested perhaps after the initial 90 days, when all the kinks of new employment are worked out. I want a super motivated, happy employee…and offering a piece of the action is a definitely something I’m considering.

Aloe Vera Headquarters

Well done Spencer!!!

It must be a gratifying feeling to realize the dream of becoming a very successful entrepreneur and to have your own full time staff!! Keep up the excellent work! You continue to inspire us all!!

Quick question, you mention hiring link builders.

Is there anyone in perticular you could recommend as I am having trouble finding someone reliable and knows how it should be done right.

Many Thanks


Spencer Haws

Thanks Aloe Vera Headquarters 🙂

Hiring/finding a great link building is a tough task. I’ve tried many different services and am constantly changing. Six months ago I used, but now I no longer do so and have tested others out. I don’t have an easy answer there…


What are their healthcare benefits? j/k

Congrats man. Way to take it up a notch!


Excellent update Spencer, please keep us updated on how you find with someone working for you full time!

Will you be getting them to generate any content for the site, or will you just use them to manage the niche sites?

Spencer Haws

I’m sure they will do some content creation as needed, but overall its a management of the process.


Congrats Spencer!

Tung Tran

Congrats on the move Spencer…I hope it will work out well for you & your new employee.

You’re such a great motivation to me 😀


Spencer Haws

Thanks Tung!


I agree that sometimes hiring an outsourced employee from another country is a headache to manage. Even if they are hired full time, you never know if they actually put in a good solid full time work hours for you. I have gone thru some bad experience with hiring VAs in the past.

Good move spencer. Definitely a big deal when someone who is willing to quit their job to work for you. That means he is proactive and determine to grow your business together with you. Sure is a Win win situation.

Spencer Haws

I agree. Thanks Aaron!

John Gibb

Hi Spencer…

Do you know of a good resource for getting a good reliable trust worth programmer?

I could really do with getting someone on board for 2014.

I have a team of 52 SEO people for my health niche sites – and multiple content writers, a huge team of writers in fact.

I can say that my affiliate business exploded once I took outsourcing to a new level, so a VERY smart move my friend!

There is too much stuff to do on our own. Even link building on our own is a tedious job, even if you have multiple PBN networks. It takes time to drip feed the links on.

Honestly, I think to really grow profits on the internet – you need other people. We can’t do everything on our own. There is too much to do to keep on growing I feel.

Awesome post – keep them coming.

I still can’t get over how good your case studies are, very few people go in to so much detail the way you do. You have set the standard for 2013 for sure 

Mark N.

Dude, your self-promotional posts are really annoying.


This ^^

Spencer Haws

I agree guys. I actually emailed John Gibb a month or so ago and told him to knock it off and deleted a bunch of his basically spammy comments. This is the last one – if I see any more self-promotional comments from you John its goodbye for life.

Steve wyman



Congratulations, Spencer! That’s awesome. Your statement—“I want a motivated, happy employee”—ensures you’ll get one. I wish more employers wanted that!



Hey Spencer

Congrats! Im sure that will take your business to a whole new level and I’m really excited to here about.


John Gibb

Sorry Spencer,

I actually hired someone to comment on behalf of me – I never realised they were promoting this way in my name on other blogs. I instructed him to contribute only, not presell on comments.

I can see why this would piss you and others off too. I will tell my comment guy to stop commenting here.

I never got any of your messages until now, which have just been forwaded to me.

My aplogies.
All Success.


Kind of convenient that none of the messages in the past got through to you, until Spencer gave you this last warning. Whew! Good thing this time it was ‘forwarded to you’, just in the nick of time!

Stop insulting our intelligence John. We all know it was you from the very get go.

I just find it hilarious (and childish) that you have to create a flimsy story to justify your previous spammy comments.

If there’s one thing being self employed has taught me its: Own your actions, both good and bad. The respect you get from others as a result will in the long run outweigh any short term mistakes you make.

Steve wyman

Totally agree Andy. You only gave to look at his “products” to see what’s being sold.


Excellent news Spencer – best of luck. And to you Perrin! 😉

John Gibb

Hi Andy,

Thanks for the advice, but I have already made more than enough through self employment and know the score I am doing the right thing by taking responsibilty here and saying sorry here to Spencer… Like I said, I have hired all my comments out for the past 12 months, plus my guest posting too. I outsource everything – that’s how I scaled my business and had multiple 6 figure years online.

I am not going to name the guy who I hired, but he was the person that forwaded the last email to my personal emai todayl. And then he told me, there was several more emails from Spencer in the past. I didin’t even know who Spencer was. I am far to busy to follow everyone.

To be frank, I DO NOT care if you beleive me or not. I have done my part, no more needs to be said.

All Success.


Multiple 6 figure business and your site have less than 100 followers on twitter and facebook?? lol what a dude!! You’re done here John, goodbye and please please don’t come back!

Steve wyman


Mark N.

And again with the self-promotion dude. Pathetic.

Steve wyman

Yep next well be hearing out the cars and houses lol.


You, sir, are shameless.


That is great Spencer, congrats! You are creating more jobs than our wonderful corporations… 🙂

Pratik Unadkat

That’s an excellent step Spencer. I’m sure this will be helping you scale up your current as well as future ventures to new heights. 🙂

firdaus kurniawan

i mean, that i read on a forums that talking about amazon banned, what do you think about it, do you have any idea ?

Spencer Haws

I’ve never been banned, but I’m sure it could happen.


Congrats Spencer!

You’ll be able to get a lot more done now I’m sure.

Did you consider an intern at any point?

I know Hayden and others in the space have had a few.

Not making you second guess but the subject might make a good post.

Spencer Haws

Yep, I tried interns actually. I just prefer to have someone working for me full-time, is a good fit for me.

the rookie

Great work spencer, glad to see your giving local a shot. I don’t outsource out of country for personal beliefs – although i did it years ago to see how the process works (right wrong or whatever). People use it as an excuse, wages to high blah blah. Sure I get the desire to do this, and I am not talking bad about the people that do it all the time, its their right and choice.

I just figure as a business owner that if I wouldn’t do it for the wages Im paying someone else (even if jobless) then it is hard for me to feel good about having someone else do it. -yes I know the wage might be good to someone out of the country-

People seem to just want to expand so fast and use the cheaper labor instead of doing the work themselves (working hard until their business can afford to hire someone with a decent wage.) If you can’t afford to pay someone in your area then you probably aren’t ready to really hire someone or expand, your pushing it.

Using the cheaper labor for those that are doing it just because its so cheap probably hurts them. They are trying to expand by way of cost cutting before actually knowing what they are doing. Then there are the people that understand it and just use it to cut costs. It would be nice if they kept it within their own country but its a free country (or world) so Its their right. But saying its not possible without using them Id say is just a lie.

The adsense flipper guys actually moved out of country so they are technically keeping it local lol. Have to give them props. Hopefully no one takes this the wrong way, I am not talking badly about outsourcing overseas, its meant to say local isn’t as hard as people think as long as your business is ready.


What are you talking about?


Congratulation, Spencer! It really great to hear that.
Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge with us. 🙂


This is a milestone for sure!

Keep on crushing spencer, you are a great motivation.


Congrats on the new employee! Hopefully it all works out for you. I’d be a bit worried to hire someone as I’d be responsible for their whole salary and everything but if you have the money and the work that needs to be done it’s a good idea.

Ray H.

Awesome, man! Congrats on the new hire, and I hope that he’s able to help you expand your business

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Congrats Spencer, that is pretty cool! I’m sure he will be a big help for you, looking forward to hearing more about it in the future!


Hi Spencer, Congrats!
I think he will bring fresh air to your business! It´s great to be able to count with someone else, and have them be an objective mind, and not just “family” members, or friends. It will do you good, as you will be able to use better your own time. Great move, and thinking!

Spencer Haws

Thanks Carlos!

Lindsay Collins @ Niche Grind

Congrats Spencer. I hope to one day be able to do the same.

Jasim Udddin

Congrats to your new employee. Can you please introduce him with us? 🙂

Spencer Haws

All in good time 🙂


Well done! This will give you a real boost to reach the next level with your business. I wish you all the best! Beste Grüße Alex


I would watch using the word “employ” or “employee” for those you retain on a contract / as-needed basis. I guess it’s a semantics thing for me since I’m a transcriptionist / VA. I own a service business with multiple clients. I’m not “employed” by someone, they “retain my services.” This is a way to keep the boundaries clear – I’m not a beck-and-call employee, I’m a service provider – and it keeps the IRS happy.


Hey spencer jw where are you making the bulk of your money besides longtailpro sales?

Do you have a gazillion niche sites roaming about, or are authority sites like nichepursuits the real earners for you?

Spencer Haws

Besides Long Tail Pro, the bulk of my money comes from niche sites (make more from niche sites than Yes, I have a ton of niche sites.


How much were you paying before for your VA? And what caused for her/his termination?

I’m also thinking whether I should hire one or not.

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